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12/09/14 11:12 AM #272    

Loretta Smith

Thank you David Ross, I agree completely. Racist rant, not intelligent dialogue.

12/09/14 12:22 PM #273    

Victoria Anderson Breen

Many, many thanx to Tom Brown, who came to my rescue and changed my address on my profile.  I believe he is the one who finds old classmates and gets them to join our site.  He has done a wonderful job, and we should all commend him.  Without further adieu, back to the "business" at hand........

12/09/14 02:16 PM #274    


Al Hammond

I have been watching this thread for quite a while.  I am not a lerned scholar nor do I posess a list degrees.  But this I know, we are beating the wrong bushes.  Why can't we talk about some nice things, our families, neat things we do and where we've lived instead of all of all of this political mumbo jumbo.  Believe me there is enough vitriol going around that we need not talk about it here.

As for me I am living in the Tom's River area of NJ, trying to grow grass in our sandy soil and fishing my heart out.  Oh yeah there is some drummin' still goin' on. 


12/09/14 02:29 PM #275    

Bob Lindsay

Could we have a supporting citation for the assertion that President Obama has cancelled further Pearl Harbor Memorial celebrations? I have been unable to find any reference to this assertion anywhere on the web.

12/09/14 03:14 PM #276    


James Flanagan

I agree with Al Hammond. This forum has become way to negative and too much focus on politics. Al is in NJ and my wife and I now live in the Pittsburgh Area. My work took me from Pittsburgh in 1968 to NYC for 4 years. I moved my family to Yonkers NY and then one year in Norwalk Ct. We then moved to Detroit for 4 years where we learned how to ski and bought a sailboat. My company then asked me to move to St. Louis where I managed the mid-central sales force. In 1980 I was asked to come back to the Pittsburgh HQ, to start up a new marketing program. We initially moved to Bradford Woods in the North Hills and 9 years ago we chose a ranch house with one floor living in Pine Twp. Every place we lived was a good learning experience and we built a very close family.

12/09/14 04:24 PM #277    

David L. Carroll

David Ross & Loretta Smith, are you suggesting that to hold views contrary to the current administration in Washington is racist?  I think you have just taken the dialogue on this forum to an intellectual low point!  I agree we should all take a breath recognizing that at our age we are unlikely to change our political views.

12/09/14 11:20 PM #278    

Bob Lindsay

Still waiting for that citation.

12/10/14 10:01 AM #279    


Judith Zionts Fox

How is it that one is only racist if s/he does not agree with the ideology of a "Democrat" President? Somehow it doesn't apply to a conservative black person.  Look what the Democrats did to Herman Cain who was a black Presidential candidate.  Personally I am rooting for Dr. Ben Carson (also black) for our next President.  You know it is just as racist to vote for a person because of his color as it is to vote against them for the same reason. Do not candidate's character, principles, ideology and platforms matter in an election any more? Have we lowered our own standards to the point that so many people don't consider any of that before voting and then resort to name calling when others actually do their research?  Sorry, calling a person "racist" because they disagree with policies just doesn't work and is getting very old, not to mention rather pitiful and a desperate cop-out.   

12/10/14 11:23 AM #280    

Becky Ann Myton

I too would like to know what my classmates are up to, and not get so bogged down in a non productive back and forth.

And yes, I am a liberal and proud of it.

After I got my PhD in Ecology, I joined the Peace Corps and was sent to Honduras where I have lived and worked ever since except for the last ten years.   In Honduras I taught at the National University, worked at the Honduran Ministry of the Environment and did consulting for USAID, the World Bank, the IDB and others.

For the past 10 years I have worked in community development for CARE in Tajikistan, Bolivia, Mozambique and most recently for Save the Children in the Dominican Republic. 

  Now I am back in Honduras  (my daughter told me Africa was too far away) doing consulting    I had an interesting assignment this year in South Sudan.

Working abroad in extremely poor communities for the past 10 years has given me a much broader outlook---far from my confortable Mt. Lebanon. upbringing.    I highly recommend it to all of you.  Then we can have some real debates.

I will be in Mt Lebanon visiting my sister over Christmas.    Will anyone be around and interested in getting together......maybe a beer at the Saloon up street?




12/10/14 12:15 PM #281    

Loretta Smith

Sorry to have expressed my views in a way that it was perceived as a personal attack. Not meant to be taken personally. Am still entitled to my very liberal views. I have read this forum and withheld expression of my thoughts as they are so far from the seeming majority. I too, think the forum should be for pleasant topics and would like to know more about how classmates are faring. I am lucky to have landed in Northern California and have lived in Sacramento since graduation. Grown children near and three lovely(what else) grandchildren. Will just read the forum dialogue and keep my political views to my fellow liberals. There are many of us in this part of the country. 

12/10/14 05:05 PM #282    

Ruth Ann Lorenzato Sasser


Becky Myton:

You mentioned that you were coming to Pittsburgh for Christmas.  I would be glad to meet you somewhere and I know that I can get a few other gals from our class to join us.  Let me know what your schedule is and hopefully we can make a plan.  It would be great to see you.  

12/10/14 09:37 PM #283    


Phillip Mathewson

Bob Lindsay,

Apparently I am wrong.  I am a little lost for words because I thought I had it on good authority that the Arizona Memorial celebration would be cancelled next year due to lack of surviving veterans.  I sincerely apologize to all.  Here is an email I received from Amanda who is in charge of the Arizona Memorial:


Hello Phil,
Thank you for your email, however this is not true. We will continue to honor the veterans of Pearl Harbor even after the survivors are long past. 
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Phil Mathewson <> wrote:

I heard that due to the limited number of surviving veterans there will be no Arizona Memorial celebration next year.  Is that true? If so could you send me more information on this decision?


Phil Mathewson
Maryville, TN



12/11/14 10:21 AM #284    

Bob Lindsay


Thanks for the information.

12/11/14 11:24 AM #285    

Becky Ann Myton

Ruth Ann Lorenzato

It would be great to get together with you and anyone else available!    I will be in Mt. Lebanon from Dec.  15 to Dec. 22  and then the first week in January.  My sister's phone number is 412 531 0556


12/12/14 03:16 PM #286    


Phillip Mathewson

About six miles from Maastricht, in the Netherlands, lie buried 8,301 American soldiers who died in "Operation Market Garden" in the battles to liberate Holland in the fall/winter of 1944.


Every one of the men buried in the cemetery, as well as those in the Canadian and British military cemeteries, has been adopted by a Dutch family who mind the grave, decorate it, and keep alive the memory of the soldier they have adopted.   It is even the custom to keep a portrait of "their" American soldier in a place of honor in their home.  


Annually, on "Liberation Day," memorial services are held for "the
men who died to liberate Holland." The day concludes with a concert.  The final piece is always "Il Silenzio," a memorial piece commissioned by the Dutch and first played in 1965 on the 20th anniversary of Holland's liberation. It has been the concluding piece of the memorial concert ever since.

This year the soloist was a 13-year-old Dutch girl, Melissa Venema, backed by André Rieu and his orchestra (the Royal Orchestra of the Netherlands).  This beautiful concert piece is based upon the original version of taps and was composed by Italian composer Nino Rossi.


After you watch the above web site, check out the below.


 Our European arrogance, in alphabetical order

1. The American Cemetery at Aisne-Marne, France... A total of 2289

2. The American Cemetery at Ardennes, Belgium... A total of 5329

3. The American Cemetery at Brittany, France... A total of 4410

4. Brookwood, England - American Cemetery... A total of 468

5. Cambridge, England... A total of 3812

6. Epinal, France - American Cemetery... A total of 5525

7. Flanders Field, Belgium... A total of 368

8. Florence, Italy... A total of 4402

9. Henri-Chapelle, Belgium... A total of 7992

10. Lorraine , France... A total of 10,489

11. Luxembourg, Luxembourg... A total of 5076

12. Meuse-Argonne... A total of 14,246

13. Netherlands, Netherlands... A total of 8301

14. Normandy, France... A total of 9387

15. Oise-Aisne, France... A total of 6012

16. Rhone, France... A total of 861

17. Sicily, Italy... A total of 7861

18. Somme, France... A total of 1844

19. St. Mihiel, France... A total of 4153

20. Suresnes, France... A total of 1541  

Remind those of our sacrifice and don't confuse arrogance with leadership.


The count is 104,366 dead , brave Americans.


And we have to watch an American elected leader who apologizes to Europe and the Middle East that our country is "arrogant"!



Americans, forward it!

Non-patriotic, delete it!

Most of the protected don't understand it.



12/13/14 03:38 PM #287    

Penelope Place Abbott

I have been reading the forum postings for quite awhile now, and find the varying opinions interesting, thoughtful, and thought-provoking.  Thought this would run its course without causing any great harm, but that seems not to have been the case.  Politics divide people, and I don't want to see this happen on our class website.  From the beginning I have had people telling me to "shut this down", etc.   I have no desire to be the website police.  It isn't too difficult to simply delete the notifications you receive in your email inbox, but, if that's a problem, perhaps it would be better to discontinue these types of messages.  Hope you will continue to visit our website, and keep communicating and updating your information.   Also, I did not post a link from Neil Cavuto.  Don't know how this went out in my name.  I choose not to express my political viewpoint on our site.  

I wish you a blessed Holiday Season, and much joy in 2015.         Penny

12/13/14 09:19 PM #288    


Vincent McKinley

Phil M.,

You talk too much. Put a cork in it and shut up. You old fart.

12/14/14 07:35 AM #289    


Judith Zionts Fox

The comments are very revealing about the people giving them.  Keep that in mind Vincent M and others who have tried to shut up contributors to our website.

Penny, I enjoy communicating with you and wish i had known you in high school. On one point, I disagree. Politics do not divide people. People do that.  An analogy is that guns do not kill. People do. If they don't use a gun, there are multiple other methods to kill and murder. People who are generally our age, guns are usually the only way we can protect ourselves against thugs who may break into our homes or are much stronger and larger than we are. But that is an analogy and not what I am talking about.

There are two topics we have always been told we should not discuss: politics and religion. Yet they are  two of the most important topics that should be discussed. Silence on those topics can be lethal and we are seeing that now because if many have not noticed, many people have already died because of silence and political correctness. If you don't realize that, do your research. I am not going into details about that. I would have to write a book and I have no interest in doing so.  There are books out there already.

Phil M is giving valuable information and I personally appreciate what he has to say. You see, the way you vote and the way you think is not just your business, It is also mine. The decisions you make in voting not just affect your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, they affect mine and all people's children. So please all classmates,. let us continue this conversation between us. For those who can be open minded, that is great. For those who wish to name call, well that is called freedom of speech. Fee free to do so as whether you realize this or not, you are telling us about who you are.  This is called projection Vincent. Also it is immature and unintelligent but again, we are learning who Vincent is, not Phil M.

PS. FYI, I am an author as well as a retired RN and Social Worker. In addition, I am an author of "Voices of Strenghth , Sons and Daughters of Suicide Speak Out." USA Book News has honored our book with the National Best Book 2008 Award in the category of Health, Death and Dying."Voices of Strength" has also been the recipient of other honors.

12/14/14 10:05 AM #290    

Phil Gottschall

Some of my fond memories of Mt. Lebanon when we were “little” (40’s and early 50’s) are:

1.  War gardens were popular with undeveloped lots and larger areas where wild berries were free for the picking.

2.  As the youngest of 3 children, we walked to Lincoln School in the morning and home for a hot lunch. There was no cafeteria (or gym – we played dodgeball in a “converted" storage room) and most mothers did not work outside the home.

3.  We celebrated Christmas in school with decorations, singing Christmas carols, and eating cookies made by mothers.

4.  The crossing guard was a “real” policeman and friend.  Beverly Road was a “mini-mall” with a bakery, grocery store, Isaly’s, pharmacies, 5&10 cents store, other small stores, doctors and dentists.

5.  Dormont Park was an easy walk with semi-pro teams, great fireworks, and post event stops at Atria’s.

6.  The big snow at Thanksgiving in 1950 was awesome with snow days off (a rarity until much later) because all roads were blocked and drifts were taller than I was.

12/14/14 05:31 PM #291    

Marcie Smith White



I also attended Lincoln School from kindergarten through 6th grade.   I remember walking to school along Beverly Rd. after that 1950 blizzard...the drifts were taller than we were!

I remember being able to eat at Isaly's or Beverly Restaurant when my mom went downtown for a day of shopping....  That was especially appreciated when we were 5th and 6th graders and could play kickball on the brick yard.   The first person to arrive after lunch was the pitcher.  Mary Batten and I always tried to beat Fontaine Dean!

Do you remember the Friday afternoon square dancing in sixth grade?  Most of us mastered the "allemand left and the grand right and left"!   I think I can still do it properly!

I always did my Mother's Day shopping at Burt's Gift shop, candy shopping at Lee's Pharmacy, and hoping to get Klondikes with the 'free' card!

Good memories...thanks for mentioning yours, Phil!


12/15/14 08:33 AM #292    

Carolyn Moore Newberger

I remember walking with you sometimes, Marcie.  And  yearning for the 10 cent cone at Isaly's.  I never had more than enough money for the 5 cent cone.  

12/15/14 09:52 AM #293    

David Ross

First,  thanks to Penny, Tom and others who got this website going which we all can enjoy now and in the future.   However, there are rules of etiquette in the Message Forum which should be observed by all lest the website implode on itself.    Think of it as a virtual living room where multiple discussions can take place but in such a way that others are not grossly offended.   We all (this includes you Phil M.)  need to be respectful of others and not drown the conversation with our own viewpoints.   If you were behaving that way in my own living room,  I'd show you to the door and not invite you back.

I'm sure we all can agree that some material/postings are totally out of bounds.    For example,  if some classmate goes off the deep end and posts child porn, I'd personally remove that post immediately and lobby to have him removed from the website and criminally charged.  Other lesser tasteless offenses come to mind:   photos of unborn fetuses;  blatant advertising of personal services  (financial consulting etc.);   flooding of the website with the same message (perhaps using large BOLD typefaces of capitalized text );  links to totally objectionable YouTube videos,  etc.  There is nothing that says that any classmate has the absolute right to post anything on this Message Forum. The class of '59 is better than that.

Let's recognize that at our age we're not going to convert others to our politics, our religion using these amateurish shotgun communications.   And besides,  we're all going to die soon anyway. So let's exit this planet cleanly from our lives that had a great start in Mt. Lebanon many decades ago.

Be well,     dave ross    Ann Arbor, Michigan




12/15/14 01:01 PM #294    

Victoria Anderson Breen

Amen to that!!!!!  Merry Christmas, everybody!!!!!!  I will reiterate that Lebo is/was a great place !  We are all so lucky to have had the priviledge of growing up there.  We do need at least one more reunion, committee......PLEASE!!!!!

12/15/14 06:20 PM #295    

Jean Scott Schembs


I too have enjoyed the running conversations over the course of the year on our Message Forum page and am thankful we live in a country where we can voice our opinions freely.  One can either reply to voiced opinions, read them and remain silent or forget what was said.  It is your choice.  That being said I have been a reader up until now and am just replying to recent comments.  I too went to Lincoln School until Dec of 1950 when the week after the "Big Snow" we moved to Hoodridge Drive and I attended Foster School through 6th grade.  I loved Marcie's and Phil's rememberances of Lincoln School and Beverly Road, a wonderful visit down memory lane, and I thank you!!  Great to hear from Vicki Anderson Breen in Texas or now Arkansas!  Merry Christmas to everyone too and yes, another reunion is needed!!  I currently live in Avon Lake, Ohio but spend alot of time on Mercer Island, WA  where we lived for 31 years before joining our daughter in Ohio in 2007.  Jean Scott Schembs


12/16/14 10:46 AM #296    

Penelope Place Abbott

Agreed, Judy.  People do choose to be divided over politics; nevertheless, politics is a great divider.  The gun analogy is a good one.  

Also, Phil G., I have really enjoyed your comments.  Such a sensible man!

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