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01/22/25 01:38 PM #17940    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

I too Googled Helen's name and came up with the Neptune Society site where I left a comment in memorium.


01/22/25 02:18 PM #17941    

 

Jack Mallory

My faith in humanity needs constant restoration. This woman helps. Bigly?

"Many of those convicted of storming the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 have celebrated the pardons or commutations that they received this week from President Trump.

"Not Pamela Hemphill. A retired drug and alcohol counselor who lives in Boise, Idaho, she pleaded guilty in January 2022 to a misdemeanor offense for entering the Capitol during the riot and was sentenced to 60 days in prison and three years of probation.

"She said she did not want a pardon. 

"'Absolutely not,' Ms. Hemphill said in an interview on Wednesday. 'It’s an insult to the Capitol Police, to the rule of law and to the nation. If I accept a pardon, I’m continuing their propaganda, their gaslighting and all their falsehoods they’re putting out there about Jan. 6.'

"Ms. Hemphill, 71, who was called “MAGA Granny” in some news headlines, has said that she no longer supports Mr. Trump or believes his lie that the 2020 election was stolen. She said that a therapist had helped change her view of the attack by telling her she was 'not a victim of Jan. 6; I was a volunteer.'

“'I lost my critical thinking,' she said on Wednesday, reflecting on her involvement in the riot and the 'Stop the Steal' movement. 'Now I know it was a cult, and I was in a cult.'

"Her wish to reject the pardon was previously reported by The Idaho Statesman. Ms. Hemphill said she had spoken with a lawyer about spurning the grant of clemency but had not taken any legal action to do so.

I've switched links  the earlier one wasn't working. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvged988377o

I wish the world had more like her!

And this: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article298937855.html

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On the other hand, this didn't take long:

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/florida-man-whose-jan-6-case-was-dismissed-after-trump-pardons-gets-arrested-one-day-later-for-gun-charges/

 


01/22/25 03:29 PM #17942    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, thanks for the post about Ms Hemphill who didn't want a Trump pardon. She now sees the light and realizes she was in a cult that spread lies about the 2020 election and so much more. Love, Joanie


01/22/25 09:35 PM #17943    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

     Perhaps those who are upset that Trump is already fulfilling promises pledged over the last three years, should have taken note of his plans as he truthfully made them public.  It is a sad and sickening border crisis exacerbated by liberal policies, that reached the point in this past year's election where we Americans had no choice but to opt for someone who can and will finally do something about it. Today, only the second day under Trump, over 300 illegal criminal immigrants were arrested.  Soon, 1500 National Guard troops will hopefully help curb the stream of drugs, gangs, trafficking, security breaches and illegal activities.  People wonder how can good Christians possibly be for such measures?  How can we not, when we are a country of laws - laws which have been ignored or put off for so long 

     As for Trump pardons: the forum fails to mention the fact that many J6 participants have already served four years of investigations, detentions, prosecutions, fines, sentences, etc. which is more than many of the rapists and cop murderers who were pardoned or commuted by Biden. It may be interesting to note, too, that (according to Axios) "nobody is above the law" Joe Biden pardoned or commuted a presidential record of over 4,000 and is the first ever to grant sweeping preemptive pardons. One wonders how many it takes before it becomes an abuse of power? 

    I recently heard this simile: that choosing a leader is much like choosing a good restaurant; you don't have to like everything on the menu to eat there. 

 


01/22/25 09:59 PM #17944    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Joan, I think the Bible thing was just an organizational error in timing.Trump's family hadn't even circled round before Roberts began the swearing-in.  The Bible did arrive, but a tad late, which was similar to the missing accompaniment for the gracious and beautiful Carrie Underwood.  But it's fun to wonder and imagine how and why the Bible wasn't there.  A sign from God Almighty? Sorry if I burst your bubble and your hope for something more interesting was shattered. As it was, even the decision to take the event inside was merely based on the cold. Bummer. 


01/23/25 06:33 AM #17945    

 

Jack Mallory

Some snippets from HCR today, mostly on the pardons, with my emphases. Some are apropos of Nori's remarks.

January 22, 2025

Marc Caputo of Axios reported today that Trump’s decision to pardon or commute the sentences of all the January 6 rioters convicted of crimes for that day’s events, including those who attacked police officers, was a spur of the moment decision by Trump apparently designed to get the issue behind him quickly. “Trump just said: ‘F*ck it: Release ‘em all,’” an advisor recalled.

Rather than putting the issue behind him, Trump’s new administration is already mired in controversy over it. NBC News profiled the men who threw Nazi salutes, posted that they intended to start a civil war, vowed “there will be blood,” and called for the lynching of Democratic lawmakers. These men, who attacked police with bear spray, flag poles, and a metal whip and choked officers with their bare hands, are now back on the streets.

That means they are also headed home to their communities. Jackson Reffitt, who reported his father Guy’s participation in the January 6 riot and was a key witness against him, told reporters he fears for his life now that his father is free. Jackson recorded his father’s threat against talking to the authorities. “If you turn me in, you’re a traitor,” his father said, “and traitors get shot.” “I’m honestly flabbergasted that we've gotten to this point," Jackson told CNN. “I’m terrified. I don’t know what I’m going to do.”

The country’s largest police union, the Fraternal Order of Police, has spoken out against the pardons, as has the International Association of Chiefs of Police. The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote: “Law and order? Back the blue? What happened to that [Republican Party]?” “What happened [on January 6, 2021] is a stain on Mr. Trump’s legacy,” it wrote. “By setting free the cop beaters, the President adds another.”

One of the pardoned individuals is already back in prison on a gun charge, illustrating, as legal analyst Joyce White Vance said, why Trump should have evaluated “prior criminal history, behavior in prison, [and] risk of dangerousness to the community following release. Now,” she said, “we all pay the price for him using the pardon power as a political reward.” On social media, Heather Thomas wrote: “So when all was said and done, the only country that opened [its] prisons and sent crazy murderous criminals to prey upon innocent American citizens, was us.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/january-22-2025?r=asnwm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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Our Trumpist Golden Age isn't making me feel safer or healthier. Also read this just now:



Requirements, with accompanying threats, to inform on co-workers . . . Sounds frighteningly familiar to those who understand totalitarianism, both overseas and at home.  Adolf and Joe McCarthy? 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/federal-workers-told-name-dei-colleagues-risk-adverse-consequences-rcna188871

 

 


01/23/25 07:17 AM #17946    

 

Jack Mallory

I'm going to try and generate a theme of attention to those who inspire, given so much news about those who . . . What is the opposite of inspire? Have to google it: "Dishearten?"

Feel free to join me in this!

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/22/nx-s1-5270918/bishop-mariann-edgar-budde-trump-interview

To give corporate credit where due, Apple, Microsoft, Costco, J.P Morgan, and Pinterest have affirmed their determination to continue support of DEI programs. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/business/dei-programs-initiatives-costco-microsoft.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


01/23/25 09:00 AM #17947    

 

Patricia Geiger (Bensetler)

Thanks Jack and Joanie. I searched as well and nothing came up. Even the Neptune Society now has a 404 error message. 

Are there any of our old group at B-CC on this forum? 

Love and Peace

Pat 

 

 

 


01/23/25 05:07 PM #17948    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori it's a disgrace and affront to law that Trump pardoned the 1,500 J 6 ers. These are people who attacked police officers and one had a heart attack from it. They came with poles to OVERTHROW the govt instead of honor a peaceful transfer of power.  Biden commuted sentences to life in prison rather than the death sentence for many cases. He didn't let murderers and rapists go free. It's the lowest number of people at the border now, not the picture you and Trump are painting. Also his plan is to go after immigrants in general not just criminals and this is terrifying communities. Immigrants help our economy and help our country by enriching our country.  A woman was set to apply legally with an app at 1pm. Trump cut the program off at 12 and she lost everything. Love, Joanie


01/23/25 06:50 PM #17949    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Maybe at some point, Trump opponents will decide that Jan 6th is not worth hashing and rehashing again and again. Trump made it well known for years that he would pardon most of the participants and most of America either (1) did not define the event as a planned government insurrection, (2) decided that Trump was not responsible for the level of violence that day, (3) believed that some acted upon the notion that the 2020 election had indeed been stolen, (4) believed that the event was politically overblown, (5) did not think the Jan 6th hearings presented adequate reason to deny Trump a second term, (6) decided the participants had suffered enough, (7) recognized Jan 6th to be a dark day in our history but wished to move on from hashing and rehashing it, and/or (8) all or some ot the above.  

My personal take on the Bishop's admonishments; as a Christian, they are not new to me.  To basically relay Jesus' Sermon on the Mount is the Church's message and it is exactly what a Bishop should be conveying.  What is sad (to me) is showcasing the messenger on TV. It is celebrating a gotcha moment, signals to many Christians that political embarrassment of a parisioner held hostage is OK. This condescending situation illustrates why many Christians become distanced from organized religion and fall away from their faith.  Fear and guilt should not be instilled within Jesus' Word to publically motivate or humiliate any leader to perform his or her duties.  That said, as I have stated before, the pendulum must swing...but not too far.  Showing mercy is American - not only to innocent children but to Americans and it will be quite a needle to thread as those in charge go about trying to fix this complex problem. As for Trump's reaction to it: another honest reaction. Embarrassed, indignant, defensive.  Human, yes, but who knows that he might not harken back to the good Bishop's words, late at night,  when he prays for guidance. And pray, he will.


01/23/25 08:08 PM #17950    

 

Jack Mallory

Nori, in regards to 1-8: there are tons of data available concerning American reactions to January 6, easily accessible in a few moments with a simple search. At least 80 news articles on "polls or statistics on reaction to January 6.What a whole variety of different demographic groups believe, how strongly, what they think should be done about it, etc.

Given Trump's very narrow popular vote victory, how can you conclude anything about what Americans think on those 8 topics, other than that for whatever reasons fewer than half of the voters wanted him as President? Your claims are simply speculation.

Why not offer us some facts, rather than vague this, that, and the other maybes unsupported by referencing any of the data available? When you say "most of America" defined or believed or decided or wished, how do you know any of that? Why should we believe a word you say, when you ignore the data? Do the data, in fact, not support your claims? 

You have looked at the data, right? 

 


01/23/25 09:17 PM #17951    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, you fail to understand the seriousness of Janauary 6th if you act like you are bored with all the hashing and hashing over of it. It was a dark horrific day in our countrie's history. It was the first time a President tried to overthrow the government that had just conducted a free and fair election. 60 Judges including Trump judges told the Trump team that there was no there there regarding the election.Trump even said many times that he knew he lost. Unfortunately you and the MAGA crowd are being tricked by this con man. We must never forget January 6th so that we never repeat it again Nori. I can see that you excuse Trump for Janaury 6 and for pardoning the Jan 6 people. That is totally against the rule of law. These people were convicted by a group of their peers..That is the way the rule of law works. They were being punished for trying to overthrow the Government and for brutally attacking police officers.. By Trump pardoning them, he is showing he has no concern for the rule of law, and no concern for actual police officers and is offering these people up as the Trump police officers that I am sure he will put in places to do his bidding. Nori, didn't you see the many videos of the insurrectionists pushing their way into the capital with poles that they used to bang over policemens heads. Did you see Officer Fanone crushed in a door by them. He had a heart attack. Didn't you see them say, Hang Mike Pence...this was not a crowd on a tour of the Capitol...they had a hang noose out ready for Mike Pence and these are the folks who got pardoned. We are so much less safe now that they are out on the streets. No, this is not something to put behind us as hashing over January 6th. This is a moment of great harm to our Country and to our Democracy. Love, Joanie


01/24/25 06:35 AM #17952    

 

Jack Mallory

A Christian bishop asks one of the richest, most powerful men in the world, a professed Christian, to show a little Christian love and mercy toward the poor, the powerless, the outcast. 

And some take offense? Too public. Showcasing and embarrassing.  Instilling fear and guilt. Humiliating.

Hell, I thought the good bishop was restrained! No whip, no overturning tables and chairs, she didn't run Trump out of the Cathedral in front of the cameras! He's lucky it wasn't a Biblical chastising!


Driving of the Merchants From the Temple by Scarsellino

This looks very public, embarrassing, scary, and humiliating--kinda like trying to instill some richly deserved fear and grief, but WTF, I'm just non-believer!

Nor did she go into any of his other behaviors which I think the Bible looks at a little critically: pride, lust, gluttony, wrath, greed . . . 
https://www.ncronline.org/opinion/distinctly-catholic/seven-deadly-sins-donald-trump
https://pres-outlook.org/2024/04/trumps-bible-profaning-the-sacred-for-profit-and-politics/

Seems like Trump was lucky it was just a bishop, and not the Big Dude himself!


01/24/25 09:49 AM #17953    

 

Jack Mallory

For those who might, understandably, question my bona fides when discussing Biblical matters, here are some comments on the bishop's comments by Elizabeth Bruenig--a Catholic journalist who has written on social, ethical, and theological issues for the WaPo, the NYT, and these days for The Atlantic. She holds a Master of Philosophy degree in Christian theology from Cambridge University. 

Regarding Bishop Budde's request of Trump, she says:

"Trump complained that Budde 'brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way.' Such a distinction between religion and politics is something of a farce, as the two categories are not easily disentangled. What can Christian clergy members say when brought before a politician without mentioning the demands placed upon crowned heads by the tenets of Christian morality? There are not two worlds, but rather only one. Budde couldn’t have delivered a truly Christian sermon without addressing the moral obligations that Trump’s stated religion imposes upon believers.

"The Christian faith is careful to exhort the powerful to mercy because mercy is so opposed to the exercise of power; in fact, mercy requires that a leader restrain themselves from the harshest of decrees and punishments, and the Christian tradition proudly recommends as much. For having mercy protects not only mercy’s recipients, but also the merciful themselves. What Trump despises in Budde’s plea for mercy may be the key to saving his own soul—if only he would listen." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/bishop-budde-trump/681415/


That the First Felon might truly have any real interest in Christian or any other ethical systems is debatable. As is Nori's presumption that he prays. 


01/24/25 09:12 PM #17954    

 

Jay Shackford

Mitch has his "John McCain" moment. Will he take it?


01/25/25 08:50 AM #17955    

 

Jack Mallory

Another individual deserving our attention and respect. 

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-01-24/keene-man-arrested-for-storming-the-capitol-on-jan-6-rejects-trumps-pardon
 


01/25/25 11:04 AM #17956    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I am not so proud of Mitch McConnell as when it really counted he failed to stand up to Trump. He could have worked to convict him during his impeachment so we wouldn't have had to deal with a criminal narcissist fascist again. Instead he took a pass and Trump squeezed by to continue all the damage he does of lies and destruction having won reelection. McConnell even endorsed him this year..So his no vote on Hegseth is too little too late. Love, Joanie


01/25/25 03:54 PM #17957    

 

Jay Shackford

Joanie is right. Mitch had his chance for his "John McCain" moment in January 2021 when he could have voted to convict Trump during his second impeachment trial. Had he done that, he could have swayed another 10 more GOP Senators to vote for conviction, pushing the Senate beyond the 60 votes reqjuired. His vote last night was "too little, too late."  He will go down in history as a real coward. 


01/25/25 07:29 PM #17958    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Against my better judgment, I began to watch part of the felon's press conference in Pacific Palisades yesterday since it was about my city. 

Among other inanities, I heard with my own ears about fire control according to him:

"Figure out how to get water pouring down from Canada like it has for millions of years"

"Rake the forests"

"30 years of leaves on the ground, dry as a bone!”

"The fire was a genius but we’re not going to stand for it”

That's all I could take and turned the idiot off.

He thinks our water comes from Canada (maybe we should tariff them for it) He thinks forests need raking - clearly not a gardener he has no understanding of compost. 30 years of leaves dry as a bone? Does he really believe there are 30 years worth of dry leaves on the ground? In Pacific Palisades?

But best of all, he actually believes that this was a forest fire. I guess they didn't show him the before and after photos of Pacific Palisades. And as usual he couldn't resist taking an ungraceful shot at Biden saying the fire started under Biden's watch and would have been a worse disaster if he himself hadn't come along. 

Almost forgot to mention. He's saying California shouldn't get Federal relief unless we adopt voter ID laws. Yes, your president actually is putting strings on helping people who've lost everything. Can you imagine Biden having put strings on hurricane relief to South Carolina?  Or Obama putting strings on hurricane relief to New Jersey? 


01/25/25 08:38 PM #17959    

 

Jack Mallory

As a follow up to Joan's comments on the felonious falsifier's press conference, let us celebrate the 8 years since we first heard his administration's take on the reality of reality. 

On January 22, 2017, Kellyanne Conway, a Trump aide, introduced the world to the Trumpian concept of "Alternative Facts" in an attempt to justify grotesquely false claims about the attendance at Trump's inauguration. 

I posted this to FaceBook on January 24, 2017:

"My hat is off to the new administration. Honestly.

 

'"Alternative Facts'--a stroke of Orwellian genius. Not lies, untruths, mistakes, or even errors; but simply alternative facts, seemingly just as respectable as the facts to which they are the alternative. The earth as the center of the solar system is simply an alternative fact to a heliocentric solar system. Not a gross misperception of reality, but an alternative reality.

 

"I've always admired, if that's the word, the term 'collateral damage.' A stroke of propaganda genius, camouflaging dead and wounded non-combatants with a screen of verbiage. But it's so limited in application. 'Alternative facts' is a concept useful anywhere, in any context. Want to claim that your crowd (or whatever) is bigger than the evidence suggests? Create some data, even though they're contradicted by evidence. Want to justify a battering in the popular vote? Come up with 3-5 million illegal voters, regardless of the contradictory evidence.

 

"The Ministry of Truth would be proud of Trump and his spokespeople. Reality is what he says it is, facts be damned.

Above the White House Press office will soon be emblazoned the verities of the new administration, 'WAR IS PEACE,' 'FREEDOM IS SLAVERY,' 'IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.' Lessons in Newspeak will be mandatory in American schools."

 

And so it was, for four years. Some poor bastards at the WaPo were tasked with keeping track of the cumulative carnage: 30,573 torturings of the truth, false or misleading statements, 21 erroneous claims a day. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

 

Perhaps Nori is right, all politicians lie. But few, or none other than our Felon, can claim a record of deceit like this. And I fear we have four more years of the same ahead of us. We can only hope that a new crew of mendacity monitors has been subbed in at the Post, for their sake. 
 

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After posting the above, I found this news. Rather than discomfort anyone with the facts of historic discrimination, we'll just eradicate the facts. 


 

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Air Force has removed training courses with videos of its storied Tuskegee Airmen and the Women Airforce Service Pilots, or WASPs — the female World War II pilots who were vital in ferrying warplanes for the military — to comply with the Trump administration’s crackdown on diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives.

The videos were shown to Air Force troops as part of DEI courses they took during basic military training. https://apnews.com/article/air-force-dei-tuskegee-women-wwii-pilots-ecdeac68dc7696535d093c7690ab73bc#

I suppose my mom's place in helping break Japanese code during WWII will never be taught either. 


01/26/25 02:34 PM #17960    

 

Jack Mallory

NO POLITICS!

 

FIRST EAGLES AT THE NEST PHOTOS OF 2025! 

Stopped by today as I have been for six weeks or so. Nest has shown no sign  of activity. But today, mom or dad in the tree by the nest (you can see that there will be pix this year only until those buds leaf out). Whoever it was gave me that first pic which I took the moment I got out of the car. But they hung around while I repositioned, took a bunch more, then flew off up-river as you can see.

I got back in the car, shut the camera down, and BOTH birds flew back into view, but never stopped to give me a shot of the two of them. 

 

 

But good to know they’re back. Last year they lost a chick, I think. Better luck this year, I hope. The Bald Eagle population nationwide has been undergoing a wonderful increase over the last several decades.


01/26/25 02:50 PM #17961    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Though Jan. 6 will most likely remain the biggest "but whatabout" item on which to fixate, one wonders why enough liberal patriots did not vote against putting Trump into office.  But I digress.  Meanwhile, my personal 'hashing' will end on a suggestion that anyone who might like to absorb compelling arguments against Jan. 6 being an "Insurrection",  please feel free to check out Ross Douthat's (NYT) piece dated Jan. 12, 2024 "Why Jan. 6 Wasn't An Insurrection" and a follow up piece (ethicsalarm.com) by Jack Marshall dated Jan. 14, 2024 entitled "Of Course The Jan. 6 2021 Capitol Riot Wasn't An 'Insurrection'...The Real Question Is What To Call Those Who Keep Saying It Was...". Both make excellent points and ones that perhaps made sense to more voters than expected. That's okay, Joan.  I understand that without a link, you will happily take a pass. 

Not to diminish Jan. 6 importance to 'Joanie and the Jays' (are you listening Elton John?), but if it had meant so much to half the country in Nov., why weren't there enough liberal patriots voting to keep Trump out of office? Why wasn't it brought up in the debates? And why NOW? Is Jan. 6 and 'dueling pardons' all ya got?

 


01/26/25 04:08 PM #17962    

 

Jack Mallory

Nori, I'm not going to show you the respect of answering your last questions until you show me the respect of answering those I've been asking of you for days. This is the last iteration, but it just repeats what I asked you again and again previously: 

 

Given Trump's very narrow popular vote victory, how can you conclude anything about what Americans think on those 8 topics, other than that for whatever reasons fewer than half of the voters wanted him as President? Your claims are simply speculation.

Why not offer us some facts, rather than vague this, that, and the other maybes unsupported by referencing any of the data available? When you say "most of America" defined or believed or decided or wished, how do you know any of that? Why should we believe a word you say, when you ignore the data? Do the data, in fact, not support your claims? 

You have looked at the data, right?


01/26/25 06:42 PM #17963    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, the January 6 Insurrection is not all we have to complain about as you seemed to imply. Though that was the day Donald Trump, who lost the Presidential election to Biden, decided to tell the crowd, we have to go to the Capitol and if we don't fight like hell we won't have a country anymore. I guess to some he was calling for them to go in and play monopoly...somehow they saw it differently and he did too because if he didn't like what they did, he wouldn't have pardoned them. Some were supposed to serve 18 years for sedition. A lot of the ones he pardoned are very dangerous..One guy out already said that now its his turn to make sure the others feel the heat...The wife of Stuart Rhodes is terrified that he is out now as she testified against him. Here is an article explaining why this is an Insurrection...If you saw the footage Nori, you would see that the crowd swarming the capitol banging in policemens heads and crushing  the officer Michael Fanone in a door and yelling hang Mike Pense wasn't a tour guide event as some have said. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/oct/10/ron-johnson/wisconsin-sen-ron-johnson-wrong-claim-jan-6-was-no/

And Jan. 6 is not all we have. We have the first few days of the Trumps presidency to worry us. He has tried to cancel birthright citizenship but that is inscribed in the Constitution so I think he will fail on that one. He is pulling us out of the Paris Climate accord when global warming is so serious, He pulled out of WHO where we all share information with other world players to combat diseases. He is freezing funding at NIH, a major research center in the US..He is ready to throw out immigrants, and not just ones who have committed crimes but he would like to have ICE go into schools and churches to hunt for illegal immigrants. He even is threatening to withhold disaster aid for States leaders that don't agree to do what he wants politically, particularly blue states....I can go on and on. He is behaving as a dictator hanging around with his billionaire friends and eliminating drug price lowering that Biden set up and he also plans to eliminate food stamps and snap programs for needy children and families..Many of us are very saddened with the cruelty of his Presidency. Love, Joanie


01/27/25 09:15 AM #17964    

 

Jack Mallory

Douthat makes a point in his piece on the insurrection that demonstrates critical honesty. He says that the strongest argument for classifying January 6 as an insurrection in the 14th Amendment sense is an analogy with the far-right riot around the French Parliament in February, 1934. Douthat himself is not convinced, but has the intellectual integrity to mention it, calls it a "strong rebuttal" to his own conclusions, and include a link to details. 

Including a link is so simple that I often suspect that those who can't bring themselves to bother lack much enthusiasm for their own positions. 
 

Here is the link that Douthat includes:  https://www.unpopularfront.news/p/feb-6-1934jan-6-2021

And another in opposition to Douthat's opinion: https://reason.com/volokh/2024/01/12/january-6-and-insurrection-a-response-to-ross-douthat/

I don't begin to have the historical or Constitutional chops to engage in this debate!

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