John Moore

Bruce.Malibu four years ago..

John Moore

Bruce: 

John Moore

Bruce:  Tamarack, Summer 2013

Bruce Wilson

Surf's UP:

A surfing film was shown in the HHS gym when we were in high school. I went with Chalmers. Anybody remember the name?

There was another popular break down by San Miguel/Ensenada called "Pipes" or "Stacks". Little kids would "wash" your windows with a dry and dirty rag, then ask for money for there efforts and "guarding" your car..

Our first attempt at watching a surf movie was out in PB (Cass & Grand I believe). We went, but it was sold out. I'm sorta thinking there was a mini-riot there that night. Anyone remember the name of the theatre?

Robbie did not surf as I recall. I'm not sure it's them, but the cameo in Lyle's film is the two of them in the infamous Porsche. There is also footage of the famous El Cordobes "fighting" a bull.

One of the earliest San Diego surfers of our era was Geoffrey Logan. He traveled the world in search of surf and had a board shop in IB. I've found info about early surfboard shops in IB that mention him, but no mention of what happened to him later in life. Dempsey Holder, the TJ Sloughs man, on the other hand stuck around IB for ever and was still active, even playing basketball into his seventies.

If you watch Endless Summer, then you should probably take a look at 1994's Endless Summer II and for that matter On Any Sunday, another Bruce Brown film of the era. Robbie told me that he played Streve McQueen in that one (the boy had an active imagination).

Bruce Wilson

The Fox Theatre (where the patrol boy excursions went) is still standing, as the Copley Symphony Hall.

Palm Theatre IB (Bonnie & Clyde for me)

Roxy Theatre (failed surf movie attempt, mini riot?)

The Vogue opened in 1945 just before most of us arrived on the scene.

Bruce Wilson

Could Let There Be Surf be the HHS film?

Lyle's film

Another shot of the Roxy. I believe Island Magic was shown there.

Bruce Wilson

Name that tune. The editor doesn't like .gif files, use your imagination.

Susan L. Frise

Yeah, well Robby August sure looked like Bartlett.

Treasa Struble (Skiles)

Re the drive-in movie w/the majorette--it's the Campus Drive-In. One evening Mike and I went to the show--a double feature of course. The top billing was some western starring Dean Martin (The Sons of Katie Elder (?)), the second billing--- "In the Heat of the Night." I convinced Mike to stay for the second movie, as he was not crazy about seeing a B/W movie w/Ray Charles singing the opening credits. Good thing, too, as the very next week, the billing was reversed--and we know what happened to the movie that year at the Oscars.

It saddened me when the Campus Drive-In was demolished. The marquee was unique.

Bruce Wilson

Treasa:

I'll have more on drive-ins later, but the neon lives on (as of 2001 anyway). I got the twirling baton from the SOHO webpage which discusses it.

http://www.sohosandiego.org/reflections/2001september/baton.htm

Another view (2011)

Bruce Wilson

Susan:

"Yeah, well Robby August sure looked like Bartlett."

It is interesting that I have no photo of Robbie Bartlett other than the ones in the high school yearbooks. This despite the fact that I still have the postcard he sent me from Nepal in 1969. Another intrepid traveler.

John Moore

Bruce/Susan:  I believe that Robbie B. and his long time buddy John Dixon both died before they were 55?  I think they lived a rough life. I believe that Robbie had inherited a lot of money when he was young.  I guess they where the demise of the dark side of the life style at that time.  By the way I have almost all of Bruce Brown's old surf movies and some from an even older movie maker, Bud Browne, "Surfing in the 50's".  I bought them all from a video that was going out of business a few years ago.  I had dozens of VHS casettes but they all desinigrated.  I also have a t-shirt from "Olympic Surfboard" that I acquired in 1964, along with a Olympic surfboard from Danny Rameriz (Castle Park).  Surfboard is long gone.  By the way I remember the "big Sky" drive-in, the Harbor.  We used to sneak somone in the trunk to go to those drive-in's because they charged by the person.  I proposed to my ex-wife at the Harbor Drive-in, the "Dirty Dozen" was showing.  Well that did not turn out so well!  Anyway,  enjoy all your posts!! 

Bruce Wilson

John:

Well it's probably not something to dwell on, but Chula Vista history is filled with folks who died pretty young.

In my arena:

My father Woodrow. My brother Keith. My sister Diane. My brother Woodie, his buddies Finis Jones, Charles O'hara and Mike Norland. The entire Ledford family JoAnn, Rick and Don. Jay Hollister, Jim Probert & Cathy Emerson, Myron Pop. Dave Chalmers. Jim Woodard. Dave Schuller. John Macevicz. Carey Joe Hobson (never knew how he spelled his first name). Leon Stallings. Dennis Morinaka. Joe Adame. Bill Mross.

Everybody has a list, I'm sure.

On the other hand, some might consider anytime too young.

Susan L. Frise

Yeah, Robbie & my ex Johnny McManus (from IB) were buddies thru Johnnie having been a heroin addict and getting the bag after spending some time in LaMesa prison in TJ back in the early '70's.  The Mexicans he met there gave him the bag for a few years and a lot of Hilltop High former students got into it with him: Bartlett being one of them.  Down a few years from us at Hilltop, Roxanne Donavan (daughter of the Judge after which Donovan prison is named) also, etc., etc. Robbie did get money when his mom died and bought a house in Encinitas with a little attached studio to rent out--ha,ha.  All his so called friends ripped him off, like crazy.  It was a drug scene, especially after he brought back a kilo of coke from Peru.  Not just then, always.  He'd call us up down in San Diego to score because he was too whacked from coke--when he couldn't find anything there.  He lost his home and ended up bumming off friends.  I didn't know for sure he was gone but had heard...but that can be unreliable.  Too many I knew too from that '70's time, including my ex Johnny, OD'd with a needle in his arm--a good 13 years after I'd left him, thankfully for me.  My good friend Tisha Bates, wife of Jimmy Bates, (a grade behind us), overdosed on Fentanyl (sp?) back in '82.  Too many, too many, including my dear sister, Margaret Frise Hargrove, class of '66.  Of course she wasn't in any drug scene, her husband, Ken (Chula High '66) was a SD cop for 35 years.  My little sister (Bonita Vista, '69) died up in Montana, of what, I'm not sure, as she woke up one day unable to talk and was rushed to the hospital and was dead the next day.  I think 'they' said it was a little tumor, but 'they' say that for too much.  Avoiding Doctors is something to do because they drugged her that night and that may have killed her?  If I woke up and couldn't talk I'd plug away and learn sign-language.  She was 37 with only one 6 1/2 year old son, and a husband.  They had that Montana log-cabin, 10-mile bike ride to work in Bozeman, life on a trout stream, cross-country skiing in winter; in other words our healthy '70's lifestyle while I was busy in our unhealthy '70's life.  Go figure--"The good die young?"

Bruce Wilson

Susan:

Well that sort of lets some cats out of the bag. There is really a ton of this stuff that I won't get into, but what's strange to me is that I have no recollection of McManus, though I was aware of most everybody in the IB an CV drug scenes.  The last time I saw Robbie was in 1969 and he was not doing well then. I haven't been able to get the actual story of his death, though admittedly it isn't something that I'm strongly inclined to pursue. Abuse of sustances is the report I have received.

It's all very tragic. Some folks skirted the edge, whilst others fell right over the precipice and never climbed out. I have my own ideas on why. Maybe some day we can talk about it.

The Long Bar, way back when. Folks who have left us (AJ - IB (?), Charles O'hara, Don Ledford, Dennis Morinaka, my brother Woodie).

Blondie is Mary Turner (Robbie's girlfriend when I used to hang out with him, I saw her in 1978 last).

Can anyone, identify others? I think the girl next to Dennis was named Jill.

Robert August and Mike Hynson

Barbara Jean Mangles (Cook)

Does anyone remember the off campus "social/service clubs"?  Namely, Belles Filles & Desirees for the girls, and Contemps & Deacons for the guys?  Am I leaving any others out?  Pictures are of the Belles Filles above and below.  They were patterened after sororities and fraternities and clearly in conflict with the legal guidelines as stated in our Lancer Handbook.  All in good fun, though, and the service part I remember in paticular were trips to Fredericka Manor to visit and help feed the residents. This left a lasting impression on me.  Oh, and the guys had these neat pass-out cards they gave to people after helping them.  

Gail Eileen Dillon (Boone)

Hi Barb --The other club for girls was Jarrettes. I belonged to it for my junior and senior years.  Gail

Bruce Wilson

Does anyone recall the names of all the young ladies in Barbara's photos. My quick look through gets me six or seven.

Courtesy of Bev Burton, the Desiraes, Michele's club, but she's not there. Somebody did catch her in her Jets uniform. Between the two of us, we got most all the Desiraes names, without doing lookups. On deck, the Jarrettes (not to be confused with the Jets), courtesy of Gail.

The only ones I remember in the Contemporists were Dave Chalmers and Dave Schuller (brown shirts, smokng pipes.). I think Casani was one also, & maybe Kellogg.

I had no idea about those cards. DC should have given me one the night he propped me up drunk on my front door.

And lets not forget the "joints" with other San Diego clubs, in particular I remember Point Loma clubs. Don't ask why.

There was also a group called the Descenders (divers).

Barbara Jean Mangles (Cook)

Thank you Gail and Bruce -- of course, how could I forget the Jarrettes?  Actually, was reminded of them today at lunch by former Jarrettes, Bev Burton (Ryan)  and Jacquie Connoley (Hood).  We have a foursome lunch bunch, along with Vicki Hughes (Owens).  We meet 4 times a year for lunch in celebration of our birthdays.  Always alot of fun. 

Susan L. Frise

My sis, Margaret Frise Hargrove (Hilltop, '66), was in the Jarrettes.  We were Seniors when she joined in her Sophomore year.  I recognize Anita Roachme in the Desirees and several others.  She in the back row, 4th one over. The biggest club I was in was Art Guild, which really had a lot of members, but I wasn't a Sosh (sp?) type, which is what we who weren't called those who were.  My sis was----I sooooo miss her; she's one of those who succumbed... to breast cancer in '05.

Bruce Wilson

Barbara:

Do you actually have a copy of the handbook?

Regarding the clubs, they weren't really in conflict because they were not "secret".

High school was a quite repressive environment. I don't know how it compares with today's though. However, I do not recall anybody bringing weapons to campus.

I do remember girls having to get down on their knees to check the length of their skirts, possibly the banning of culottes, and hair length checks (with penalty of the dread (not dread locks) detention) for excessive hair length of boys. Oh yeah, let's not forget the "jock checks" in gym class  (girls exempted) and don't smoke cigarettes, even in a private automobile in the campus parking lot (good for a one day suspension)..

I believe there was a distance rule which determined whether one could leave campus to go home for lunch. When we moved to Monterey Ave. I was close enough that I was allowed to leave. I think there were a few times that I failed to make it back for the afternoon session.

Susan:

Who else was in th Art Guild? I'm thnking Jeannie Booth must have been. Robert LaHaye.  Cheryl Chase.

Did you know Marty and Cheryl? They lived over there in your neighborhood unitl they moved to Florida.

As I think about it now, there is a photo in one of the yearbooks in which Cheryl appears and there must be 30 or 40 folks in it. Gotta look that one up.

Bruce Wilson

Meanwhile Chula Vista keeps getting bigger.

Chula Vista considers annexing new development

Moller Otay Lakes Investment recently purchased Otay Ranch Village 13A for $21 million. The 867-acre property sits in unincorporated San Diego County, on the northeastern side of Otay Lakes. It’s also right on the edge of Chula Vista city limits.

Early plans include more than 1,000 homes, commercial space, and a 200-room resort hotel.
 

http://www.10news.com/news/chula-vista-considers-annexing-new-development

Barbara Jean Mangles (Cook)

Bruce, yes, I actually do have a copy of the handbook. 

Clubs were not "secret" as you say, but sketchy in other areas.  As I recall, there was some light hazing of newcomers followed by a slumber party for the girls.  Things like being told you had to eat a live goldfish and given a wiggly peach slice to eat, and being squirted with a squirt gun filled with a strange concoction of fluids from the kitchen, were what I remember -- nothing outrageous....

Dress code in the handbook was much the same as you mentioned.

John Moore

Bruce:  I remember one such "Joint" party with some girls from Pacific Beach.  They were hot!!  It was when the "Beatles" first released "I want to hold your hand".   I believe Feb., 1964?  Of all the names or things I remember was this one girl named Sue Kinlock. I thought I was in love..  I called her a number of times and ran up a long distance bill.  My Father gave me a lot of grief over that.  I never persued that momentary relationship. I did not have the money to go all the way to Pacific Beach every week.  We used to surf over there periodically. I drove to the joint.  I believe with Jerry Olivas, Gary Kennedy, John Hamels, Jimmy Hitchcock, etc. etc.??  Those were days!!!

Corinne McCall

To John Moore - your post triggered a memory of going to my first dance at CV Junior Hi in 7th grade (before transferring to Hilltop Jr Hi when it was completed in 8th grade). I remember being highly conflicted between going to the Halloween dance or going trick-or-treating. I must have been 12 yrs old and it was a tough call. I did go to the dance - and I remember dancing with you (I think?) and feeling quite grown up!