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10/24/18 07:09 PM #526    

 

Nancy Doyle (Sudlow)

I got the last shingles shot and still got the shingles. I also had them when I was younger. No fun. I will definitely be getting the new vaccine. I do not want them again!

10/24/18 08:14 PM #527    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Stewart, you want to get the Shingles shots-- (I'm on the road without good access to the Internet-- I wonder if part of my message was delayed yesterday--

As you suggest, Shingles are disgusting and very painful.  Postherpetic neuralgia (PHN) is pure hell and older folks are way more susceptible than young people.  Sounds like Steve's mother-in-law suffered PHN which means the pain, itching, burning, tingling which accompany shingles do not disappear with the rash of open blisters which can last as long as 5 weeks. 

What I'm saying-- after the rash finally disappears - after as much as 5 weeks - it's possible PHN hangs around for weeks, months, even years after the rash has healed-- and if not treated, PHN can lead to blindness.

The first shingles vaccine had live virus in it-- probably the reason Nancy contracted shingles after being vaccinated.  There is NOT live virus in the new Shingrix vaccine.

Shingles would definitely be worse than the side effects of Shingrix vaccine.

It might be helpful for Roger to share information about how his wife's vaccine for shingles was covered by insurance.

As to side effects of the Shingrix vaccine, I would hope for minimal reaction, but be prepared to lie low for 2-3 days (if possibility of side effects necessitates) following each shot.

(Worse case scenario re side effects following vaccinations-- anaphylactic shock.  *I did NOT go into anaphylactic shock because of shingles shots* but I have gone into anaphylactic shock-- not a good thing, especially since I was alone.

 


10/24/18 10:13 PM #528    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Terror in America.  A mass attempt at assassination of American leaders. 

Trump condemns violence then slams critics and media at a rally in Wisconsin.  The president continues to use language to rile his supporters, ascribing responsibility to others for the rancor in the country.

How many ways can you twist a pretzel?  Pathetic to hear President Trump and Wisconsin Governor Walker tout their commitment to covering pre existing conditions.  The leading cause of bankruptcy in America is lack of health care coverage.

VOTE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 6th

 


10/24/18 10:16 PM #529    

Stewart Myrent

​Nancy, I have to say, I was somewhat dismayed by your account of being vaccinated, but then suffering from shingles, despite being innoculated.  However, Janis' follow-up post clarified it for me, in that you had the earlier version of the vaccine, which had, apparently, live virus.  Thank you, Janis.  I was confused, but now I understand I want the new virus (despite the 2-shot regimen & increased costs).  Janis, I was curious about that caveat to plan to lay low for 2-3 days.  What is that about?


10/25/18 09:21 AM #530    

Allan Norman Karlin

One of my friends got awfully sick after the new shingles shot, but my wife got the shot - no problem.  I am on the wait list for more vaccine to come into the Walgreens and I will get it because, as sick as my friend got, it was nothing compared to my mother-in-law's terrible case of Shingles. 


10/25/18 11:06 AM #531    

 

Roger C. Kaage

I'll try to clarify re: insurance, Stewart.  Her health insurance company (and mine, before Medicare/supplement days) would only cover the shingles vaccine for those 60 y o or older.  If you wanted the shot before you turned 60, yuou were on your own--and I think she was quoted something like $300 back then. Even at that price, it would be worth it to avoid shingles.


10/25/18 02:32 PM #532    

Stewart Myrent

​Thanks for the clarification, Roger.  I am now seriously considering getting that shingles shot.  However, I have decided to leave early for work, so that I can stop & get my flu vaccine shot, while we're still in the month of October.  While at Osco, I will ask about the shingles vaccine cost, with my Part D Rx card.  Let you all know, later.


10/25/18 02:49 PM #533    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Way to go, Stewart.  New shingles vaccination is given in a 2 shot series.


10/25/18 11:02 PM #534    

Stewart Myrent

​OK, I did remember to stop & get my flu vaccination at Osco, after making sure I got the geezer dose (now that I think about it, she [the pharmacist] looked at the label, but I didn't look at the label), perhaps I did not make sure I got the geezer dose.  At any rate, I asked about the new shingles vaccination & they said the first dose would be $163 with my Part D Rx card (which, by the way, is Humana).  She wasn't sure how much the second shot would be, but assumed, as did I, the price would be similar to the first shot.  However, they had 0 - that's right - they had none of that vaccine & weren't even sure when they would be getting it.  So, it looks like there's a run on the shingles vaccine & I'm guessing they want you to feel fortunate to get yourself a couple of shots.  I would suggest, because of the difficulty in finding this vaccine, that wherever you get the first shot, get something in writing, that guarantees you the second shot within 6 mos. time, because I don't know if this vaccine is as efficacious after the elapsed 6 mos. time.  What happens if more than 6 mos. transpires, after the first shot?  Don't know. 


10/26/18 10:44 AM #535    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Well worth repeating the astounding new height in the level of GOPers' hypocrisy about protecting folks with pre-existing conditions.  The GOP House majority voted more than SIXTY times to repeal Obamacare and thus kill protection for pre-existing condition coverage benefits.  Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is the first signature on the lawsuit filed by 20 states to kill Obamacare.

GOPers are NOT PROTECTORS of Americans with pre-existing conditions.

The leading cause of bankruptcy in U.S. is lack of health care coverage.

VOTE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 6th.

Meanwhile, when Americans should be vigilant in the midst of pipe bombs being sent in a mass attempt at assassinating American leaders, President Trump's concern is organizing efforts to prevent refugees from reaching the U.S. in a couple months.

Shingrix and shingles are a timely and informative topic on the Forum-- the back and forth and additional voices chiming in --drama of a useful concern seems to be of interest and much appreciated...

 


10/26/18 05:51 PM #536    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

He stands for everything--

Weeks after voting to confirm Brett Kavanaugh, Jeff Flake isn't sure he believes Brett Kavanaugh's denials...

Jeff Flake speechifies about all the harm Trump is doing to the country, but always votes down the line with the Trump Party--

Result:

The Trump Party detests Flake so much he decided not to run for re election knowing he would be primaried...

and reasonable people, recognizing the disparity between Flake’s words and his actions, call him out on being “all hat, no cattle."  SAD!!! because Jeff Flake seems like a really nice guy.

 


10/26/18 11:03 PM #537    

Stewart Myrent

​I want to get into something I touched on several days ago, when I said that Janis & Steve & many others are "the products of being well-raised children."  I realize that none of us are children any longer, and I realize that there are probably thousands of ways to be a good parent, and many less ways to be a bad parent.  The other thing I said in that post, was that I "really like people who have inquisitive minds & empathetic hearts."  I think that to ensure that you're a good parent, you should try to raise children who have inquisitive minds; otherwise, they might easily be swayed, by some silver-tongued devil who does not have their best interests in mind.  And, as a good parent, to raise them to have empathetic hearts, so they are not blind to the suffering of others; and imagine how their lives could have turned out so differently, if not for an 'accident of birth'.  If I was born in Germany, instead of in the U.S., and in 1940, instead of 1947, my life could have been totally different, except for an 'accident of birth.'  If I was born in America as a black man, instead of a white man, my life would have been totally different, except for an 'accident of birth.'  The older I get, the more I realize that 'lucky' is way better than anything else.


10/27/18 10:20 AM #538    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Many thanks, Stewart. We are fortunate for the 'accident of our birth.' (I lived in the Sudan during 7th grade school year.) 

The beauty of America is the more we've shared the great opportunity this country offers, the stronger we've become as a nation.  On my profile page, David Bantz repeated the story of the fellowship of a campfire shedding light and warmth to humans and monkeys alike on a chilly night.  A campfire requires tending and new wood, which the humans provided to maintain their gathering.  When the humans departed, the monkeys remained until the fire burned down-- the wood pile was there, but the monkeys did not tend the fire to sustain the warmth and the light they enjoyed.  I grew up on this story--

I am concerned the magnificence of our country is burning out because of the "me" mentality... we are not giving back, adding logs to the fire, investing in our country and tending the fire.  When we were young our parents and grandparents were investing in improving schools and roads and safety-- today our children and grandchildren are concerned about climate change, inequality, how to finance a college education, and the shrinking role of government to help people in need. 

What can we do as older folks? singer Sheena Easton might put it this way: "less takin' and more givin' "

We can pay our taxes without grumbling... and those of us who remain healthy can be productive-- particularly in ways that help young people.

Why not create a living will and make clear we don't want expensive medical care when it won't make a difference anyway?

 


10/27/18 01:55 PM #539    

Stewart Myrent

​Janis, I read your story about the humans & the monkeys at the campfire, and thought it was ironic, as I just heard a similar story about monkeys & humans, also involving firewood, while I was driving, on the radio, albeit, with a totally different outcome.  Apparently, a man in India, (I believe he was in his early 60's) went into a forest to collect firewood.  There were monkeys in the trees & they started pelting him with bricks from the treetops.  Where would monkeys get bricks, to use as projectiles, you may ask?  It turned out that the monkeys had gotten the bricks from an old, abandoned building in the nearest town. The man was killed.  (Not a happy ending.)  The man's family decided to sue the town, claiming that they were liable for his death, as the monkeys had gotten the bricks from that town.  The town realized that they could not bring the monkeys into court, and ruled the incident an unfortunate accident, that probably, could not have been avoided.  Have no idea why the monkeys decided to pelt the man with bricks, but, perhaps, they were among the monkeys who were left shivering in the cold night, in your story, and harbored ill feelings against humans, for letting that campfire go out.  Don't know, just saying.  When I heard this story 2 days ago, I actually thought it was fairly humorous, except for the death of the elderly man.

 


10/27/18 03:56 PM #540    

Stewart Myrent

​Steve, I forgot to ask this in my last post: the second shot HAS to be from the same batch as the first shot?  And, they mix the components of the vaccine, right before you get the shot?  I have never heard this before, relative to any vaccination.  To me, sounds like a situation ripe for human error.  How can you be sure the 2nd shot is from the same batch as the 1st & they have to mix the components right before giving you the shot?  If you have any more info, I would appreciate it.


10/27/18 06:29 PM #541    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf has been in touch with local officials re the shooting at Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh.  The governor is focused on the victims, their families, and making sure law enforcement has every resource they need.

"We must all pray and hope for no more loss of life.  But we have been saying

" 'this one is too many'  for far too long. 

"Dangerous weapons are putting our citizens in harm's way.

"And in the aftermath of this tragedy, we must come together and take action to prevent these tragedies in the future.  

"We cannot accept this violence as normal."

Hard to believe this is life in America.  Ironic that Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh is literally in what was Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.

VOTE Tuesday, November 6th.

 


10/28/18 08:10 AM #542    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

When Should I See a Doctor Because of the Side Effects I Experience from Shingrix?

In clinical trials, Shingrix was not associated with serious adverse events.  In fact, serious side effects from vaccines are extremely rare.  For example, for every every 1 million doses of a vaccine given, only one or two people may have a severe allergic reaction.  Signs of an allergic reaction happen within minutes or hours after vaccination and include hives, swelling of the face and throat, difficulty breathing (that's anaphylactic shock), a fast heartbeat, dizziness, or weakness.  If you experience these or any other life-threatening symptoms see a doctor right away.

"Shingrix causes a strong response in your immune system, so it may produce-short-term side effects more intense than you are used to from other vaccines.  These side effects can be uncomfortable, but they are expected and usually go away on their own in 2 or 3 days."

 

Do Not Take Medical Advice From The Posts Here By Me Or Others.

Check With Your Doctor.

I for one am grateful for the attention drawn to SHINGLES and appreciate the Forum discussion.

 


10/28/18 11:01 AM #543    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Thank you for your explanation, Steve... I was pulled into shingles discussion far beyond my expectation.  Foolishly, my initial comment was meant as cover for people not looking to have Shingrix vaccination just yet. 

In fact, Shingrix is on backorder-- I have been told Shingrix vaccine will be improved-- I hoped the risk of delay could be balanced by those facts. 

Some of our classmates live alone-- it is for that reason I mention the extremely rare possibility of anaphylactic shock-- so singles can be prepared with the support of a friend-- also in case they “get awfully sick”...

I was a hospital patient when I went into anaphylactic shock-- I was NOT in intensive care-- I was 38 years old, had a prolapsed bladder and was lactating (had last given birth 13 years before), was otherwise in good health-- no one recognized me as a patient who needed monitoring--

I knew I was in trouble but had no way to let anyone know-- when medical personnel finally found me they issued a CODE BLUE.  To this day no one understands why I went into anaphylactic shock... and it’ s been passed off because I did not die.

I believe I did lay out the risk of contracting shingles (and PHN), (including blindness).  I do not take shingles lightly.  Just talking about shingles and PHN, it's as if I've had latent PHN which has suddenly activated.

I believe the Forum discussion about shingles has been a plus.

I believe in preventive medicine-- that "absolute best health care plan is to not get sick.  All effective vaccines make sense... Shingrix vaccine is 97% effective.

 


10/28/18 11:21 AM #544    

 

Alan A. Alop


10/28/18 11:28 AM #545    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

For all our vigilance about Islamic Terrorism,

we are living with Domestic Terrorism

at the hand of White Supremacists.  

VOTE Tuesday, November 6th.

 


10/28/18 11:32 AM #546    

 

Beverlee Ann Arpan (Marshall)

How to wash a cat:

1. Put both lids of the toilet up and add 1/8 cup of pet shampoo to the water in the bowl.

2. Pick up the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the bathroom.

3. In one smooth movement put the cat in the toilet and close the lid. You may need to stand on the lid.

4. At this point the cat will self-agitate and make ample suds. Never mind the noises that come from the toilet; the cat is actually enjoying this!

5. Flush the toilet three or four times.  This provides a 'Power Wash' and 'Rinse'.

6. Have someone open the front door of your home. Be sure that there are no people between the bathroom and the front door.

7. Stand well back behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift the lid.

8. The cat will rocket out of the toilet, streak through the bathroom, and run outside where he will dry himself off.

9. Both the toilet and the cat will be sparkling clean.

Yours Sincerely,

The Dog


10/28/18 11:54 AM #547    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Good to know, Bev... too funny.

Stewart, I’m pondering monkeys throwing projectiles from trees and a litigious Indian culture.

Sad the U.S. Congress doesn’t heed Americans' concern about gun safety in America! ! !

 


10/28/18 03:55 PM #548    

Stewart Myrent

​I also thought that Beverlee's post was hilarious, although I would never own a cat, as I think that cats are selfish little varmints, and for them, it's all about me, me, me.  I also am not crazy about people who have the same mind-set.  Janis, I also was surprised that those people in India, the dead man's relations, seemed litigious.  I was very surprised to hear they had sued the local town. I, also, am getting totally fed up with Congress' lack of accountability, relative to the gun crisis in this country.  But, of course, you realize that they are all getting $ from the NRA, unless they are totally outspoken against firearms & the NRA.  I had hoped that after the mass shooting at Stoneman H.S. in FL, those kids would actually effect some change in this country.  (Time will tell.)  I was very impressed by those kids' message & their eloquence & I wondered if we would have the guts & determination to press the issue, as they did, when we were their age.  I have never owned a firearm (but somehow made it to 71, without one).  I have no idea why semi-automatic rifles are sold to anyone in this country, as long as you are all of 18-years old.  I do not hunt wildlife, but I'm pretty sure hunters do not use AK-47s to hunt.  That wouldn't be very fair.  So, why are AK-47s, and similar weapons, available to virtually everyone?  I can think of no logical reason.  Unless you have a penchant for killing other humans.  If that's your motivation, then it's probably a perfect weapon.  Other than that, I have no idea why they're sold in this country.  The only time I have fired a weapon, was when I was in the military.  In fact, after I got back to my unit, after basic training, I had to qualify with a .45 caliber pistol.  I went out to the firing range, put the pistol in my left hand (I'm left-handed), aimed carefully & pulled the trigger.  My left arm shot up in the air (I wasn't expecting the kick) & the range officer rushed over to me, grabbed my left arm & took the gun out of my hand.  He said, "You're done!" after that first shot.  I looked at him & said, "Did I pass?"  He said, "Of course, you passed."  That was the last time I ever pulled a trigger & that was 50 years ago.  Somehow, I've made it through life w/o a firearm.  I am not advocating repealing the 2nd Amendment, although if it happened, it wouldn't bother me one bit, but where does common sense fit in with all of this discussion?  I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers could never foresee the development of semi-automatic weapons, but so what?  They did provide for a method to adapt to changing times, but could they foresee a totally unresponsive & irresponsible Congress?  They should have, because they had similar problems way back then.  I saw yesterday that our beloved president, on the day that 13 people were killed in a synagogue in Pittsburgh, told his rally crowd that he almost cancelled his appearance, because he was having a "bad hair day".  Who gives a shit?  I would feel exactly the same way, if this disaffected killer had fired his weapon in a Catholic church, a Protestant church, a Buddhist temple, or anywhere else.  I am hoping, of course, that in 9 days, or so, we will elect a Congress, that will be responsible & put a check on the Oval Office.  Have any of these Republican enablers, ever heard of "separation of powers"?  If they have, they certainly don't act like it.  Got to go to work.  


10/29/18 12:02 AM #549    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

The words and actions of the President matter.  Again this week we see the results of his influence--

a week when he declared himself a Nationalist...

Republicans stand by and make excuses for Trump...

We all know what Trump’s about-- his supporters voted for him... none of us should be surprised by events since January 20, 2017... vile acts perpetrated by White Supremacists who find encouragement if not condonation of their actions.

Trump's detachment and passivity to these attacks give no assurance that the perpetrators will be deterred in any way.

Trump is a master of divide and conquer--

neither terrorism nor mass shootings silence the histrionics or conspiracy theories--

Trump blames fake news and the media for the division and hatred in our country-- 

It is on us to move beyond Trump to bridge the chasm to heal our country.  

VOTE Tuesday, November 6th.

 


10/29/18 01:55 PM #550    

 

Marvin Irving Blusteln

Many of us continue  in frustration our attempts to apply reason, logic, and rationality to explain and deal with a president who is irrational, unreasonable, hateful, and who expands the concept of incompetence. In vane we decry the country's current state,  We blame and are angry with 45.  I am no longer angry with 45.  I am angry with Republican leaders who allow the dismantling of our democracy to plow ahead in order to achieve their own agendas to enrich themselves and there 1% friends.  I repeat my comment from many months ago,  shame ont the republicans,  they are not patriots and care not for our country.  Shame McConnell.  Shame on Ryan.  Shame on them all.

 


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