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07/09/21 11:34 AM #2617    

 

Ron Williams

The Surplus store was a Dream Mall for me.  I would recommend any books by popular Stephen E. Ambrose, such as D-Day and Band of Brothers, plus the HBO Series.  To many Hollywood movies to mention, such as Letters from Iwo Jima.  Also, if in New Orleans visit the WW2 museum.  I found it very moving.

My father tried joining the Navy with his buddies during the war but was rejected for flat feet .  My mother said he cried.  I had an uncle in the Army Air Corp who was a Flight Engineer that flew the wounded in the Pacific, and an uncle who was wounded on Anzio Beach in Italy.

Like Tom Brokaw said, "The Greatest Generation."

Ron

 


07/09/21 03:21 PM #2618    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

My Dad worked at Eureka Williams during World  War II and since they made different things for the War he didn't have to go, however he was in the Militia.  My husband was on the front line in Korea during the Korean War and he said it was the coldest place on earth during the winter.


07/10/21 07:17 AM #2619    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Happy Birthday Cary Franks!!!!


07/10/21 06:29 PM #2620    

 

Bill Butler

Barb,

My biological dad was flat-footed also (…and with kids!), and hence not in WW2; however, like your dad, he worked at Eureka Williams which was a high-security plant during the war.  He couldn’t tell us what he was making there.  My mother, a nurse at Mennonite Hospital, would throw salt tablets and sodas over the high fence for him and others because the conditions were so hot and sweaty there during the summer.  I wonder if our dads knew one another?  Your husband was in “the forgotten war” of Korea.  As expected, those who came back did not want to discuss it.  My parents had a tenant, the manager of the Pigley Wigley Grocery on Main St., who was the only survivor in his platoon --- the nicest person you’d ever want to know.  I’ll say it again, ...we really owe our vets and appreciate their dedication; and this especially goes for our classmates who also served in any capacity.

Corky,

The military rifles in the Army Surplus store were a “mixed bag” as I remember (British Enfields, Italian Carcanos, Swiss & German Mauser bolt-actions, Browning autos, Fabrique Nationale Mausers, Russian Mosin-Nagants, etc.), but back then I didn’t know much about them.  In some stores there also may have been some Browning 1911 semi-auto pistols, the premier U.S. military handgun for 100-yrs.  As a retired Air Force Reserve Master Sgt., a retired Federal Firearms Instructor, and the owner of a firearms safety training company (civilians and law enforcement) since 1995, I can tell you more than you probably want to know, so I’ll just shut up.  But, if you’re ever in the Denver area, I’ll give you, or any other classmate, a free nationally certified 10-hr. self-defense class.  We’ll start by shooting the 1873 single-action army revolvers (6-shooter/Peacemaker) and work our way up to the present.

As surplus, there were some bolt-action 1903 .30-06 Springfields, models 03-A1 and 03-A3.  The 06 designates the year (1906) that the U.S. military adopted the cartridge.  The newer gas-operated clip-fed auto, i.e., .30-06 Garand, was dubbed by Gen. Patton as the greatest fighting rifle ever invented; it was also used in WW2.  Some military historians claim that this rifle won the war for the Allies because it was faster to load and fire than the German bolt-actions.  I don’t know if many Garands, or the .30 cal. M1-carbines (paratrooper version), showed up as surplus in the U.S. immediately after the war.  I got mine in 1990 ($200) through the Civilian Marksmanship Program; they may still be available, but at 10x the price.  Your Argentine 7.62 mm is the metric equivalent to the .30 cal. (inches) cartridge.  Our classmate, Bob Rush, in Kokomo, IN can probably answer any military rifle questions you have.

Ron,

Thanks for the references; there is also a huge private military museum in Colorado Springs, CO, that contains every item that every U.S. soldier/sailor/marine/pilot, whatever, used or saw in every war the U.S. has been in.  The displays are set up as if you were standing in the middle of a war zone; it is incredible.  Items range from armored vehicles, tanks, weaponry, to first-aid kits, gear, MREs, and uniforms.  (no nukes or planes or ships, tho!)  This guy must have bought out every surplus store in the country!  I saw a video tour of this museum and it is unbelievable…. highly recommended for any history buff.


07/10/21 10:44 PM #2621    

 

Susie Dowell (Emery)

Bill, thanks for all that background info. It was fascinating, even though I know nothing about any of it. It was still very interesting and I had no idea that you were involved with any of that.
Thanks for sharing.

Susie


07/11/21 04:32 PM #2622    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Delores Buttry's obituary is in the In Memory section.


07/12/21 10:17 AM #2623    

 

Ron Williams

Barb and Bill:

My wife had an uncle Joe, a wounded Marine from Korea who was a member of the Chosin Frozen. At a family gathering I tried to get him to talk about Korea. He broke down, and I had to stop. I later learned he was shelled, and  those next to him did not make it.  So, I decided to learn more about Korea and the Chosin Battle.  I read On Desperate  Ground:The Marines at the Reservor: The Korean Wars Greatest Battle by Hampton Sides, A Memoir of The Coldest  War by James Brady, and The Coldest Winter by David Halberstam.  I would recommend them if you are interested.

Also, the Eureka Co. during the war made bomb fuses.  Many civilians were considered exempt from the draft, such as farmers and railroad workers.  They were consided essential to the war time effort and were  just as important as those who were on the front lines.

Ron


07/12/21 08:51 PM #2624    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Breakfast Wednesday at Shannon's at 9.  Hope you can make it for some enlightening conversation!


07/12/21 08:54 PM #2625    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Happy Birthday Karen Schad Vincent!!!!


07/13/21 09:03 PM #2626    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Two former businesses from Downtown Bloomington, the first being Stern Furniture which was on North Main.   

The Second one is Clay Dooley which was located on East Grove Street across from  the Oaks Apartments.

 


07/13/21 09:06 PM #2627    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Happy Birthday Skip Wollrab!!!!


07/14/21 02:49 PM #2628    

 

Ward "Corky" Snearly

Barb, as always thanks so much for the great photos you post.  It is fun to see those nostalgic pictures of Bloomington and what we remember it looking like during our formative years.👏👍<>>

Bill, thank you for the very interesting and informative survey of firearms.  Your knowledge goes way above my pay grade and it is fascinating to think of the collections we might have acquired for what now appears as a pittance in terms of cost.  I remember that Brown Auto Store had a complete line of Belgium Browning superposed shotguns for $300 each.  Best,  Cork

 


07/14/21 04:51 PM #2629    

 

Jim Crusius

Bill Butler,

I see where you are in Evergreen, Co. I have been to the Dragonman shooting range, but didn't know he had a military museum. Meet me in the Springs and we'll take a tour and get caught up on all the times you had to sit in Mrs Appleyard's dunce chair.

Jim Crusius  719-494-5688

 

 


07/15/21 10:12 AM #2630    

 

Mary Ann Wilson (Eiff)

Barb, 

I want you to know how much we appreciate your work to keep our class together.  Hope you have a Blessed Birthday today.

Mary Ann


07/17/21 06:44 PM #2631    

 

Bill Butler

Jim,

Gee-whiz, I thought everyone had forgotten about that dunce chair!  I’ve spent over 70-years of my life trying to forget, but you just had to remind me!  I had a frontal lobotomy, joined the French Foreign Legion, hired a hit-man to destroy all my report cards, and went into the Federal Protection Program with a new name ….. and the therapy was just about to succeed.  Hey, thanks a lot, dude!   Can you believe that such things as DUNCE CHAIRS existed to humiliate kids?  But, maybe those were the good ol’ days when kids got spanked, embarrassed, and told to shut up or go to bed without dinner.

Actually, I’m not sure I was ever told to sit in that “dunce chair” (it was really a stool) in the corner…., well, OK, maybe once or twice.  I think it was for trying to scrape dried paste off my newly refinished wood desk with scissors.  In Kindergarten are we suppose to know these things?  Wow, those scratches were kinda ugly!  However, maybe it was for setting off the fire alarm 30-seconds before the pop quiz?  No, … maybe it was for selling cherry bombs to kids in the cloak room….., no, the only other thing it might have been was for taking 5 pet snakes to class being cleverly hidden in my pockets.  Can you envision how snakes can instantly create utter chaos?  The teacher asked me if I suffered from insanity and I told her, “heck no, I enjoy every minute of it”.  Well, Jim, I thought all that was behind me, so thanks again; now I have to start all over again!

Lastly, I looked up the reference for that amazing military museum in Colorado Springs.  You are correct, it IS the Dragon Man Museum, and it is on YouTube.  I watched it again and this guy has it ALL … and it is all functional.  Here’s the link. www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9hU15Fz1jOg.

And BTW, Jim, I don’t care what Ms. Appleyard said about you, I think you did turn out OK.  We’ll have to have lunch, ….if I can find where I parked my souped-up motorcycle to get to the Springs.  Take care, …. and never give up, never be pessimistic because it won’t work anyway, and don’t lie, cheat, or steal unnecessarily.


07/18/21 09:59 AM #2632    

 

Phil Hershey (Hershey)

Always enjoy posts from Bill Butler. Many thanks to Jim for stimulating a response from Bill. I did not spend much if any time on the Dunce stool. I just was sent straight to Ms Busby's office for my daily swat even if I had done nothing wrong that they had seen anyway. They just knew I deserved one. Of course when arriving home I received another one. Corporal punishment put me on the straight and narrow. As the old saying goes spare the rod spoil the child. Today we see the results of the participation trophy generation. Thanks so much to Barb for keeping this site going so we can stay in touch.


07/18/21 10:12 AM #2633    

 

Karen Johnson (Hostetler)

Bill, now I understand why you and Pete were such good friends. He would thoroughly enjoy your "epistles" on life.

07/18/21 04:20 PM #2634    

 

Jim Crusius

Hey Phillip,

I don't ever remember you being on the straight and narrow. I think you and Bill Butler have the same memory issues. The Fell Avenue Playground gangs kept all of us in trouble. Your neighbors, the Cox's kept all of hopping. Linda Guy, you remember them, right? Ha! You married Tony. Hope you all are doing well. Still waiting for that lunch, Bill

 


07/18/21 09:05 PM #2635    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Happy Birthday Elizabeth Millikan Mark!!!!


07/19/21 02:13 PM #2636    

 

Bill Butler

You guys are resurrecting a lot of vivid memories about grade school.  Those air raid drills hiding under desks was sure fun.  I remember telling Mary Jo that she should hide in the cubby-hole cabinet.  After I pushed her in, the lock closed.  Gosh, I sure hope they found her when they razed Franklin School.  And those Show-&-Tells we got about rolling up in a rug if our clothes caught fire….  Didn’t we do it to Emma Lou as a demo, but accidentally covered her head and she suffocated?  And those kids who were flush because they got 25-cents a week allowance… Yeah, we knew who you were!  Good thing we had 10-minutes for potty breaks ‘cause we could make an easy 50-cents in the boys room in the basement using my crooked dice.  Once I even sold a rock to, ...well we won’t mention names; I told him it had gold in it.  Wow, another easy 75-cents.

And don’t you remember first grade when Ms. Thompson pulled out the book Dick and Jane and said we would conjugate the verb “to see”?  I remember this like yesterday now that Jim Crusius has blown my cover and I must defend myself.  As she began pointing to the pictures, I said, “Hey, I can read that.  It says, ‘see Spot run’ and the next page says, “see Spot make a deposit, but Spot doesn’t have a bank account’, the next page says, ‘see Mr. Jones chase Spot”, and the last page said, ‘see Dick and Jane in court because Mr. Jones has sticky shoes, and he did a face-plant in the rose garden.  Now see what happens when you’re drunk and try to run after Spot!’”

Ms. Thompson was not impressed.  She said, “OK Billy, you know where the dunce chair is.”  I said, “Aw, not again. Can I bribe you with a rock that has gold in it?  Please Ms. Thompson, instead of reading about Spot’s messy adventures, can we go over the proof for four of Maxwell’s famous vector statistical equations that show the interdependence of light, electricity, and magnetism – they’re the fundamental concepts of charge conservation as demonstrated by Faraday, Gauss, and Ampere?  He formulated some rules in physics that predicts flux when current is flowing.  I think all my friends here would much rather learn about magnetic waves.  Maxwell’s theoretical work in the mid-1800s paved the way for Einstein studies of relativity, …. and even for cell phones that everyone will have in 2021!”  She looked very stern and muttered, “dummkopf”.  I said, “All right, all right, please don’t tell Ms. Buzzbee!”

Well, yeah, it is what it is.  And now that you also reminded me of Fell Avenue Playground…… man, what fun!  I’d show up and Phil Hershey would say, “Bill, go find a baseball.”  Gerry Dalrymple would say, “Bill, go find some trashcan lids for bases”.  Jim Crusius would say, “Bill, go find a bat.”  Bob Spahn would say, “Bill, go find a baseball glove.”  Rod Brent would say, “Bill, go home and make some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for everyone here.”  Henry Schlenker would say, “Bill, go find the Holy Grail”.  I’d say, “OK, OK, give me 5-minutes, I’ll be right back ,so don’t start without me!”  It was great to be appreciated by so many.


07/21/21 03:46 PM #2637    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Here is a picture of a Gas Station which was on North Main, love the look of the old stations, they had a lot of character.

This is a picture of The National Bank Building which was located on the Southeast corner of Main and Washington Street and McLean County Bank was right next to it.

 


07/24/21 08:59 PM #2638    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Was anyone a member of Four Seasons?  I had visions of being a figure skater but after one session spending more time on my hind end than my feet I gave it up, wasn't meant to be.

 

Did any of you guys participate in the Soapbox Derby?


07/27/21 11:06 AM #2639    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

If you lived way over on the West side you'll remember Mittelstaedt Grocery.

 

Another West side grocery store was Hanners Market.  Note the price of the things they have listed on the windows.the 

 

 


07/27/21 03:40 PM #2640    

 

Dan Shickle

Barb, I remember Mittlestats, but not where it was located.  Hanner's I know where it was.  I am thinking that Pete Hanner was the owners son.

 


07/27/21 05:46 PM #2641    

 

Barbara Kincaid (Menken)

Dan, for some reason I thought it was way down on West Olive.  I had a great aunt that lived over there and I'm sure I went to that store with her when I was a kid.  However, I could be wrong!


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