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04/12/09 10:26 PM #4275    

Debra Lou Short (Dissell)

Happy Easter! Thank you all who came over. We really enjoyed our day! For those who couldn't or didn't make it...we missed you! Hope everyone has a great week!! I love you!

04/12/09 10:48 PM #4276    

Donn Dissell

'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of
philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can
cure him. You can do it. Would you help him?
Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't,
does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he
prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water
from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er..yes,' the student says.

Prof. 'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right.. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in
this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created
everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according
to the principle that our works define
who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.
'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer
breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.
'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus
Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that
matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has
with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'


The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His

own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes.

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room
suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have
lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat,
white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called
'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we
can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold;
otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.'

'Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold
is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure
cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold
is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding
like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it
isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of
something.. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's
called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word.'


'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the s student in front of him. This will
be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you
explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You
argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad
God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something
we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'

'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.'

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes
where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed..

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion
has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let
me give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the room. ' Is there anyone in the class who has
ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the
professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears
to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical,
stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with
all due respect, sir.'

'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures,
sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his
face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess
you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with
life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it
everyday It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in
the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it
does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just
like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the
absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what
happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like
the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when
there is no light.'

The professor sat down.



04/12/09 10:49 PM #4277    

Donn Dissell

a little long says my bride, but we love it!!

04/12/09 10:51 PM #4278    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

DEBI AND DONN , HAD A GREAT TIME AGAIN AT YOUR HOUSE ... THANKS FOR THE HOSPITALITY. GOOD FOODSmileyCentral.com GOOD FUNSmileyCentral.com GOOD COMPANYSmileyCentral.com

04/12/09 10:53 PM #4279    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

MARISA GLAD YOU ARE HOMESmileyCentral.com

04/12/09 10:55 PM #4280    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

CARA I AM OFF TUESDAY BUT HAVE A DRS APPT SOMETIME BUT I WILL FIND OUT WHAT TIME AND LET YOU KNOW

04/12/09 10:58 PM #4281    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

TO ALL OF MY DEAR FAMILY THAT I MISSED TODAY...HOPE YOU HAD A HAPPY AND BLESSED EASTERSmileyCentral.comI LOVE YOU ALL

04/12/09 11:06 PM #4282    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

A LITTLE LONG ,TRUE, BUT I LOVED IT TOO

04/13/09 04:14 PM #4283    

Jennifer Short (Gnau)

Saw dad today he seems to be doing very well, walking with only a cane. also in good spirits, just tired

04/13/09 04:43 PM #4284    

Debra Lou Short (Dissell)

Sherri, There is a way...pack your car and move here!!!SmileyCentral.com Jenny, Glad you spent time with your dad and glad he is feeling better! Mickey, Glad you are feeling better and walking more...and no walker!! Keep up the good work and good spirit. A positive attitude goes far!! Lisa, Thank you! We had fun too. Sorry Scotty did not have his St Paulie Girl Beer! what doctor? Tori, That is ME on the silver circle!!! Vicki, where are you? It is game time!!

04/13/09 06:03 PM #4285    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

debi have to go to hemotoligist every 2 weeks for at least 6 months ,funfun! wanna do a girls lunch for marisas bday? why did you mention st paulie girl? he loves that beer but he was drinking budweiser.let me know about thursday so that i can arrange my schedule.

04/13/09 07:24 PM #4286    

Debra Lou Short (Dissell)

It would have to be Friday. Does that work for you? Are you getting another iron fill-up? I hope they are cheaper for you than they are for me! Scotty likes to drink St Paulie Girl on holidays.But he did not know the liquor store is open on Sunday. Now he has to wait until Derby!SmileyCentral.com

04/13/09 07:26 PM #4287    

Debra Lou Short (Dissell)

Vicki, I did not mean for you to leave. I thought you would be here when I got back. We are having pork chops, you should have stayed.SmileyCentral.com

04/13/09 08:48 PM #4288    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

no iron fillup.coumidin check and blood count.insurance covers iron trasfusion besides co pay.friday is good. what time ? we had pork chops too.

04/13/09 08:57 PM #4289    

Cara Patterson (Short)

Hey Lisa - you still out there?

04/13/09 09:20 PM #4290    

Lisa Short (Dillander)

hey cara forgot to sign off im back now . r u here

04/13/09 09:23 PM #4291    

Cara Patterson (Short)

Yes - I was just going to let you know - Vickie was going to come by tomorrow to visit with Mickey for a while.

04/13/09 09:40 PM #4292    

Debra Lou Short (Dissell)

Lisa,
I am sure Vicki can trade with you or divide the time with you. Marisa may be there too. That is nice of you all to be able and willing to go there. I have to work all week so I be off for Thunder. 70 and sunny. Woo Hoo!!
How about noon on Friday? I will see where Marisa wants to go. Anyone out there...everyone is welcome. it is not a closed "party"!!

04/13/09 11:22 PM #4293    

Debra Lou Short (Dissell)

Mickey,
This excerpt was taken from our prayer guide, I thought you could appreciate it. You and your healing was also included in the prayer guide!


"Jesus rose from the grave bearing His scars and the memory of what they had accomplished. Take hope, the suffering and scars you bear will one day be just a memory as well - the reminder of your God and His unrelenting faithfulness. He has a purpose for everything, pray for a trusting heart and a faithfulness to withstand. He's alive - your future is bright!" Love you, Bro!

04/14/09 02:19 PM #4294    

Vicki Short (Bumann)

Debi:

I had a migraine while we were playing cards, so I just needed to go home. Pork chops sounded good, but I rested and had leftovers from Easter. Watched a few movies and chilled out for the rest of the evening.


04/14/09 02:27 PM #4295    

Vicki Short (Bumann)

Lisa and I spent the morning and afternoon with Mickey. He looks good and was in a great mood. We played a card game called "Tens" that Marisa taught us. I think we wore him out. He is napping now. I am going to read a book Webfetti.com

until Cara comes home.

04/14/09 02:37 PM #4296    

Vicki Short (Bumann)

Thank you, Lisa for teaching me webfetti and how to play Canasta on line. Webfetti.com

(I could not find any "blonde" sisters!) Lunch on Friday sounds great. Just tell me where and when.

04/14/09 03:30 PM #4297    

Jennifer Short (Gnau)

lunch on friday would be fun any details?

04/14/09 03:30 PM #4298    

Jennifer Short (Gnau)

vicki thanks for entertaining my dad!!!

04/14/09 05:36 PM #4299    

Debra Lou Short (Dissell)

"Greatest Sister" whatever!!!...you both have 3 greatest sisters!

Lunch on Friday...more details to follow!!

Lisa and Vicki, thanks for visiting Mickey.

Mickey, hope it wasn't too much for you entertaining them.
Hope you have fun at Lisa's tonight. AND for the record...if she ever offers to make you Lasagne ALWAYS take her up on it. It is the best!!

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