header 1
header 2
header 3

Message Forum - GENERAL

Welcome to the Bethesda Chevy Chase High School Message Forum.

The message forum is an ongoing dialogue between classmates. There are no items, topics, subtopics, etc.

Forums work when people participate - so don't be bashful! Click the "Post Message" button to add your entry to the forum.


 
go to bottom 
  Post Message
  
    Prior Page
 Page  
Next Page      

08/20/24 12:03 PM #17388    

 

Jack Mallory

(Said in a 6 year-olds voice): "But that's not fair!" 

You want Trump's supporters on the Forum to find logic in his non-sensical babbling, Joan? How could they possibly do that? Hell, he's not as old as I am and makes far less sense than me on a very stoned rant 50 years ago!

My reaction to his rising sea levels create more beachfront property assertion was exactly the same as yours, but I was so boggled by his claim that I actually drew it out to make sure old age wasn't confusing me. Quick contour map with sea level at A, then higher up at B--duh, how the hell can a rising sea level do anything but decrease territory above water?

I'm picking up Bodie, the new Lab pup, in less than 24 hours. I don't begin to have time to comment fully on Trump's ignorant contempt for veterans. Only someone who refuses to see/hear the evidence Trump has offered repeatedly could fail to recognize Bone Spurs' belittling of vets and POWs. John McCain, a loser, "a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured." Hide Your eyes, John, 'cuz this is evidence: at about a minute 50 seconds: https://youtu.be/541Cg2Jnb8s?si=oiAQrv1egsTPvoR2

My new Vets for Kamala hat joins several predecessors--Vets Against Trump, Vets for Impeachment, Vets for Indictment. My hats have a pretty good success track record! 

Sorry, Jay, I knew you were just fantasizing!


08/20/24 01:09 PM #17389    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Whoa, Joan.  I only check this forum once in awhile.  Life gets in the way.  

First off, am I the only one who can't seem to get over the idea that the DNC and Planned Parenthood were offering free abortions and vasectomies in a mobile clinic rolling around the convention center last night? Freebies like 'hot dog day' at the ball park or party favors or Halloween treats. And why does Biden (etal), keep saying that Trump will federally ban abortions if he gains office? That's, to me, a very important lie. Let's share what political lies mean the most to us, shall we?

Where politics is concerned, i am Goldilocks and cannot find a candidate who is "just right" (or even close).  TMI with Trump and TLI with Harris. Both are populists, which is hard to swallow for this old lady, but that's the way of the world these days. Popularity contests in politics rule the results. (I think it started with Clinton and his sax on late night TV), but maybe that critque is unfair because I'm older. But I digress.

Watching, listening, reading positions of both opponents will get me there, albeit eventually.  Like churches, never a one-size-fits-all kinda thing. But, since voting is what I MUST do, I'll find my moderate, independently-registered, motivated self pulling a lever or filling-in a circle come November.  Too many people have sacrificed for me to ignore that responsibility.  Asking myself if I were better off before Biden/Harris: i do know this about 4 1/2 years ago: i had approx the same amount of money but could buy more fun things (like ice cream and a steak), afford a resort trip periodically, drive without much regard to gas prices, treat my grandies to a ball game or a flick, even donate to more good causes. Today, every purchase must be weighed out and thought through. More home cooked pasta.  less entrees w/sides. Cheaper paper products. Less manicures or pedicures. 15% tips instead of 20%. Less haircuts. Less lawn service. No housecleaners. Less home projects. Lumber is ridiculous. Cologne is a luxury. God forbid you need an attorney (even for a Will!), a shrink, an architect.  Fees are off the charts. And there is a growing fear in the back of my mind that I might have to some day rely on my kids to make ends meet. Those little but real possibilites linger.  But hey, Kamala is joyful. Like Grafton Pond brings peace to you, Jack, my faith washes over me and soothes me, much as you lean on your adventures in nature. We are the lucky ones. Suicides, sex trafficking, drugs, abortions, guns sales, divorces, antisemitism all rise while church attendance, life expectancy, education scores, police forces decline. But hey, Kamala is joyful. 

Also, 4 1/2 years ago, the influx of illegal immigrants were less and they had not infiltrated major cities, their hotels and schools or committed as many horrific crimes, of which we are sadly more and more aware.  Unlike today, WWIII was not knocking (as loudly) on our door.  The Taliban was in the rear view mirror and not parading around in our confiscated military vehicles mistakenly left in Afghanistan.  Iran had not been awarded and appeased and empowered to fight a proxy war TO ELIMINATE our ally and only Democracy in the Mid East. Domestic terrorism via the southern border was not as predictable. Fentanyl wasn't as rampant. The Iran backed Soleimani walked the earth no more. "Smash & grabs" were not on the nightly news.  Police officers were shown more respect, though everyone knew there were those terrible few who did not deserve it. 

Note to Joanie: not sure why you are confused by Haley's recent Trump comments. She is a conservative Republican and of course, she must (like him personally or not) drop her campaign rhetoric and join the party.   Because, and solely because, of his issue positions, she rallies round,  She could not possibly back Harris who was (is?) a Leftist. You do know that, right Joanie?  And the way I know that is because Harris cannot voice her positions without it hurting her chances of winning. She has, so far, let campaign staff 'insinuate' her positions outwardly and walk back some of her rhetoric from 2020 and before. I, for one, am hoping she reveals her postions more this week and owns them.  Usually candidates are downright anxious and want to share their views but she can't, realizing how unpopular some of them are. But ya gotta admit, she's joybul. Maybe her plan is to always be elusive but she certainly wasn't the least bit elusive in 2019 when she ran for POTUS briefly. Matter of fact, she was quickly unpopular and out of the race. She announced it was time to move on from privately held medical insurance and espoused Medicare for all. She declared that anyone crossing the border would not be held criminal, even though he or she were breaking the law.  She proclaimed that abortion be legal right up to birth, regardless of pain the fetus may endure. She laughingly shared her use of marijuana after having incarcerated people for marijuana abuse. Her economic speech recently did specify that she believed government should regulate prices, that first time home buyers could receive $25K towards a home and she proposed no taxes on tips for service workers (Trump had already proposed that several weeks before). Not surprising, since they both need Las Vegas to love them come November. She has shown a disturbing affinity toward the Palestinians and their plights, past and present, but, politically it's a 'hot potato'. Again, am hoping she clarifies her government regulation of prices, since that is provocative and hasn't worked well to curb inflation historically. Oh, and her promises come with huge, unmentioned price tags. But, hey, gawd knows she's joyful.  


08/20/24 01:22 PM #17390    

 

Jack Mallory

Nora, please justify categorizing those of us who have gotten divorced or sold a firearm with suicides, sex traffickers, drug addicts/dealers, and antisemites?

 


08/20/24 01:28 PM #17391    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Ha, you're funny, Jack.  What they all have in common is they are on the rise. Whether the gun trade and divorce are good or bad is subjective. If in doubt, ask your kids. But, whatever you do, be joyful! 


08/20/24 01:43 PM #17392    

 

Jack Mallory

Obvious dodge, Nora. Come on, have the courage of your condemnations. 


08/20/24 01:57 PM #17393    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Interesting interpretation.  For some of us, the numbers of guns and the numbers of divorces are important and those numbers are rising. If my words were somehow a condemnation of you personally, sorry.


08/21/24 07:12 AM #17394    

 

Jack Mallory

"Stolen Valor is not the same as telling a little white lie. Democratic VP presumptive candidate Tim Walz has committed Stolen Valor since he departed active duty. There is no grey area on this issue. Even a dumb retired (E4) Navy Seabee like myself knows the difference between a command sergeant Major (E9) and a Sgt. Major (E8) and to say that he retired as a CSM is Stolen Valor, period."

Excellent article rebutting John's false accusations that Walz committed the crime of Stolen Valor, drawing on the expertise of veterans who investigate such charges. Yes, there certainly is a gray area, a difference between a crime and the common memories improved with time cited by Shakespeare and recounted by veterans over the millennia. A lengthy article, I'll just provide the link, but of interest to those concerned with the truth. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/us/politics/tim-walz-military-service.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
 

Comments, John--contradictory evidence for your opinion that Walz did indeed break the law? 


08/21/24 07:31 AM #17395    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, I don't see the obviouis that Haley has to do a 180 to support Trump when she was saying he was unfit to be President. Harris is more in tune with her on foreign policy anyday. Why not put country above party like some others in the Republican party have done. I don't respect Haley for not putting the country first. How can she support someone who will let Ukraine go down the drain and kiss up to Putin and Kim Jong Un and Erdogan. You complain in your note about a lot of things that you think were better under Trump but the economy was bad with so many people out of jobs and big tax cuts to the wealthy. He has said if he gets in he will put this big tax, a tariff on China that will raise most people's expenses to get goods by 3,000 a year. Anyway, yes, we like that Kamala is joyful rather then hearing Trump talk about running away from sharks and preferring electrocution and applauding Hannibel Lector. Love, Joanie


08/21/24 08:18 AM #17396    

 

Jack Mallory

Before I go pick up Bodie, a little political humor. I hope this will open for you all. Or you can probably find it in other coverage of his remarks at the D.N.C. Obama could go on to do standup! His gestures, timing, as he refers to Trump's concern with "crowd" sizes . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/20/us/harris-walz-dnc-trump?card=9114527.750551002&carddeck=0a13da2a-29b4-4cf8-b39a-a2de1b26c5e1&smid=url-share&rsrc=crsl

If the link above won't work, this from NPR will open. From the clip headed ‘We don’t need four more years of bluster and chaos,’’ at about 7 minutes 35 seconds. https://www.npr.org/2024/08/21/g-s1-18313/barack-obamas-full-remarks-democratic-national-convention

’’ ********

And now . . . . . BODIE!


08/21/24 02:02 PM #17397    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack I am in love with Bodie.  Such a precious pup.  Enjoy him.  Love, Joanie


08/21/24 02:12 PM #17398    

 

Jack Mallory

He seems to be fitting right in, Joanie!
 


 


08/21/24 03:26 PM #17399    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Aww, Bodie is adorable and does look like he is loving his new home. Yay. Joanie ❤️


08/21/24 05:13 PM #17400    

 

Jay Shackford

Michelle and Barack Obama were amazing last night.  


08/22/24 07:09 AM #17401    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Nori, you're right, it's joy or retribution. Make your choice for the future.

Nori, you know don't you, that inflation has been a worldwide problem since the pandemic? You also know don't you, that the president has no control over inflation? Trump didn't and Biden doesn't. I'm sure you also know that the US has and continues to have lower inflation than the rest of the world. I'm sorry your cologne, manicures and lumber are up since 4 years ago, but surely you are encouraged by the smaller number of people dying from COVID or being encouraged to drink bleach as a cure as was happening 4 years ago.

You know of course that " From Henry Cabot Lodge in the late 19th century to Donald Trump, anti-immigration politicians have repeatedly tried to link immigrants to crime, but our research confirms that this is a myth and not based on fact,” 

https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime

About Niki Haley's belated endorsement of Trump after calling him "unhinged" and saying electing him " is like suicide for our country." You know of course she didn't have to endorse him? Your darling from 2016, Mike Pence is not endorsing him. She vowed not to kiss his ring......and then did. Politics doesn't have to come before integrity. 

A little fact check. You seem to believe life expectancy is down. Joyfully,  "The current life expectancy for U.S. in 2024 is 79.25 years, a 0.18% increase from 2023". Even better "The current life expectancy for World in 2024 is 73.33 years, a 0.23% increase from 2023."

If abortions are up, maybe we should steer away from some plans to limit the availability of birth control to women. Republicans blocked a plan to guarantee a woman's right to contraception. The truth about Kamala's abortion beliefs is that she supports abortions late into pregnancy only if the mother's life is at risk, just like 44 states with abortion bans. I hope you haven't bought into this Republican nonsense about "abortions" after birth! First of all, that's not an abortion, it's murder, and I don't know of anyone who supports that. 

Come on, are you claiming you never smoked marijuana? Not even in the 70's? 

 

A little addition after watching last night's DNC (since it's too late here to watch live).  I was struck by some words I heard and I kept asking myself, were any of these words even said at the RNC convention?

Character

Grace

Dignity

Decency

Integrity

Humanity

Empathy

Honor

Responsibility

Compassion

Oh and let's not forget JOY!

Enough, there's too much in your post to refute and as you say, I've got a life to get on with, but thanks for telling us about your ideas!

Cute pup Jack! Does he still have puppy smell? 


08/22/24 09:24 AM #17402    

 

Jack Mallory

Well said, Joan.  But you did miss the loony suggestion that the DNC was dashing about the convention center, freely dispensing abortions on every street corner.

"am I the only one who can't seem to get over the idea that the DNC and Planned Parenthood were offering free abortions and vasectomies in a mobile clinic rolling around the convention center last night?"
 

I hate to leaven right-wing fantasies with reality, but: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-check-is-the-dnc-offering-free-abortions-to-attendees

It's PBS, it will open.
 

Planned Parenthood has facilitated reproductive medical assistance including abortions in many settings, including mobile clinics, for decades. My mom worked as a Planned Parenthood volunteer in a Massachusetts clinic during one of the periods of clinic bombings around the country. Thanks, Mom, for leaving me your values. 

 

I will also point out that calls for government control of the economy, like ordaining inflation control, go directly back to Marx and Lenin. Gotta be careful of spreading that kind of subversive propaganda, sound like some kinda "fellow traveler of Marxists, Communists, Maoists, Socialists, Progressives, and Chinese Communists."


08/22/24 09:38 AM #17403    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Thanks Joan and Jack for your posts setting the record straight. Of course I agree wholeheartedly that Haley didn't have to kiss the ring after she said how awful Trump would be, unfit, etc...I respect Republicans like the late John McCain who told a woman at a rally that no, Barack Obama is a fine person. He just didn't agree with his policies or when McCain did the thumbs down in support of Obamacare...then the full rath of Trump was present as he raged against McCain.Kari Lake in Arizona said, McCain Republicans leave the room..Where is the inclusiveness? It doesn't exist. I'm happy to see that there are some Republicans for Harris as they value Democracy too much to go for an authoritarian dictator. Love, Joanie


08/23/24 04:29 PM #17404    

 

Jack Mallory

That sound you're hearing is RFK and JFK spinning in their graves. 
 

**********

Their spirits appeared before me last night. They told me they're glad they're dead. 
 


08/25/24 02:11 AM #17405    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

My husband characterized this particular photo as looking like a desperate old man reaching for a life preserver.

I don't belive RFK will function as a savior.

I too wondered about RFK & JFK spinning!


08/25/24 05:42 AM #17406    

 

Jack Mallory

Joan--when you're desperate, young or old, and RFK Jr. is your life preserver you're in deep shit!

********

Bodie in deep as well. 
 


 


08/25/24 06:55 AM #17407    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Bodie heart 


08/25/24 09:58 AM #17408    

 

Robert Hall

Loving the joy Bodie displays!

08/25/24 10:31 AM #17409    

 

Jack Mallory

Yes, much joy in a puppy! Hope he'll carry us through November, come what may. 


Remember your kids after a day at the beach?



 


08/25/24 02:24 PM #17410    

 

Stephen Hatchett

Jack, you probably could not believe how you make my day with those Bodie pics!  (Totally counters the down drag of that pic of dump and ratfk.)

Learning to swim while the water is still "warm"; good stuff!


08/25/24 02:26 PM #17411    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Having had blonde labs through the years, they were born swimmers. No teaching at all.  Bodie is adorable, Jack!  Congrats to you both!

GREAT pep rallies from both parties this election year.  Talk about hefty budgets! Seems the conventions, the Super Bowl and the Olympics get gaudier and more opulent each time, doesn't it?  Gotta love the talent & entertainment...Holllywood, Spielberg and musicians from all over!  Was fun watching every minute of each one. The speeches were good, though for me, fairly predictable.  Mostly non stop Trump bashing...his name mentioned 401 times.  But who's surprised! Thank gawd Joe Biden was a midnight spokesman.  His, and Trump's speeches were too dark for the occasions.  When are they going to learn that it's all about rallying the troops for the energy required to win an election, not to talk about those pesky kitchen table issues that drag us down. The answer is NEVER! And yet, because it's a very short time for Harris to become what she is being groomed for, she MUST quickly project sincerity, compassion, togetherness, diversity, integrity, character, the American dream, good upbringing, youth, good education, a fighting spirit, brains, beauty, lots of love and total and complete righteousness, with the very likely hope to show to the world how unlike her opponent she is, in every way possible. (Was that a run-on sentence?)  Problem is, she is limited on popular issue positions and therefore must put down her opponent bigtime in order to woo the throngs and accomplish the goal. Ya think her biggest appeal isn't not being DJT? With an adoring media, how can she lose?  I predict nary a hardcore journalist will interview her at all before voting begins. Perhaps she'll get lucky and consult with Donna Brazile before the debate. Oh, wait. That was before.

RFK Jr., for me, is a voice (albeit different!) trying to be heard. I do find it interesting that the Democrats caused a Kennedy to back Trump. Gotta admire his following his heart, regardless of his family's lens, since apparently they move in lockstep.  Whether his dad and uncles are rolling over in their graves is questionable, since he claims to have an ideology matching theirs more than today's Democratic Party. Time will tell if he moves the needle. I am doubtful he will. 

Back to sorting out more lies and scare tactics that seem to become deeper and deeper ingrained in both parties: I'll ask again, (1) why do Democrats keep saying that Trump wants to federally ban abortion? (He believes the states have that decision, constitutionally. IOW, no mention of abortion is even in the Constitution.) Or (2) that he already tried to gut Social Security and Medicare and will absolutely do so, if elected? (He never touched either, while in office for 4 years). Or that (3) he is intent on following Project 2025 to rid the country of democracy? (He claims to ignore that plan and one would agree, IF one realizes that plan is too far Right of his beliefs, based on his previous presidency). Or (4) that he doesn't care for anyone but himself? (Does anyone actually believe that presidents past and recent didn't have egos the size of Chicago, with eggoll on the side?? Pretending otherwise is silly. How do we know that Kamala is only out for herself too? (5) Trump is a liar & nothing he says should ever be believed at all. (Those 5 claims were made by Quentin Fulks (Deputy campaign manager for Harris) this morning on Media Buzz.  I assume he is expressing Kamala's campaign speaking points. If true, why wouldn't Trump have done them in his 4 years as president? The Dems have been in power for 12 of the last 16 years. And if we shouldn't believe what Trump says at all, why should we believe Harris when she (through her advocates) claims to now believe that fracking is okay when she said before that she would get rid of it, that she now doesn't believe in Medicare for all; she now doesn't believe in defunding the police. Additionally, it would seem that now she doesn't believe in free enterprise either, if she believes that government should regulate prices, no? Big government means big spending and, though Trump overspent (one of Haley's accuracies), big spending is the last thing we need to help curb inflation. I believe the Biden/Harris administration's spending along with supply and demand propelled by the epidemic, brought on inflation but then I am not an economist. She claims to have been 'the last in the room' when Biden ordered his too swift and reckless Afghanistan evac. That isn't good. I guess we are to believe the Biden foreign policies will apply in her presidency since she did state her spirit in fighting Israel's right to defend itself and at the same time appease her base by some conciliatory rhetoric for the Palestinian people.  Good needle threading! She was given the job of trying to stop the bleeding at the border and failed, because she believes in a free border.  I think she does, because she's decriminalized illegal entry.  Does that mean entry is never illegal now?  All of that said, Trump rants are tiresome and predictable.  The harder he is jabbed, the harder he jabs back.  And it would not surprise me, if he loses as a result of being lured into much more jabbing than substance.  The election is (was?) his to lose. One thing is certain, Trump will never be anyone but Trump.  I just wish I could say the same about Harris. 

  

 

 


08/25/24 04:30 PM #17412    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, thanks for your take on things. I think there were some leaps about Trump made as he didn't say to end Social Security and Medicare or ban abortion nationwide but he has a lot of ties to Project 2025 and as this article will point out, there are quite a few similarities of Project 2025 and the Republican parties expressed plans. As for Harris, I find her to be an authentic caring person. I think she really wants to help America and continue Democracy. She is for the middle class and Trump gave the big tax cut to the wealthy. It would be nice if the wealthy paid their fair share of more then 8.5% tax...Trump has shown he cares nothing for Democracy after January 6 when he let the mob keep on going with all the violence and destruction and death and chants of hang Mike Pence. He just kept watching tv. He didn't call out the National Guard. Then saying the election was stolen when 60 court cases, many having Republican judges said there is absolutely no basis for that. As Harris has said, "you can't only love your country when you win. Here is an article that shows some of the things you are talking about Nori but also it shows Trumps connections to extremism like 2025. Love, Joanie

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do


go to top 
  Post Message
  
    Prior Page
 Page  
Next Page      

agape