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04/06/26 09:07 AM #19045    

 

Jack Mallory

The term “batshit crazy” has become common during his presidency.  The reasons become more obvious every day, with his promises to bomb people “back into the Stone Age.”

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116351998782539414


04/06/26 10:16 AM #19046    

 

Robert Hall

Trump is proposing that the US military commit war crimes. In what twisted universe does that make sense or benefit America?

04/06/26 02:39 PM #19047    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

It's so horrible to hear Trump now in a press conference. He is blasting Obama lying about him saying he chose Iran over Israel. He is praising himself and revealing how reckless he is. We are really in trouble with him running the show.  
Jack I heard his Easter text. What vulgar things he said.  
Robert I also heard he is contemplating war crimes in Iran.  
love, Joanie


04/07/26 11:56 AM #19048    

 

Jack Mallory

So should we squeeze 'em harder, Nori? How many little school girls harder? "Bomb them back into the Stone Age"? "Reign" (his illiteracy) hell down on them? Destroy their whole civilization, as he explicitly threatens? Because he says he doesn't need international law--does he, Nori? 

Or have Trump's threats and actions gone beyond a brave squeeze? He acknowledges no limits other than his own morality. What are your limits, Nori?


04/07/26 04:13 PM #19049    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Only a madman would entertain the idea of destroying a  "whole civilization." 

Our president is a madman ready to commit war crimes in our name.

Just quoting our madman felon here:


04/07/26 06:21 PM #19050    

 

Jack Mallory

I desperately hope that tomorrow I will be subject to accusations of absurd naïveté, paranoid over-reaction, terminal TDS. But this article from the Atlantic expresses my fear of Trump's claim to be unconstrained by international law and standards of morality, and his threat to completely and permanently destroy a civilization, to bomb a society back into the Stone Age if it does not obey his commands.

**********

 

Did Trump Just Threaten to Use Nuclear Weapons in Iran?

If such an order comes to pass, the military can and must refuse.

The president of the United States is losing his head, and that means the rest of us must keep ours. At 8:06 a.m. eastern daylight time, Donald Trump posted this on his Truth Social site:

A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!

The world, unfortunately, has gotten used to Trump’s overheated rhetoric, and to dismissing the commander in chief as something of a crank who (as the French president recently advised) should perhaps keep more of his thoughts to himself.

But the president’s statements are policy, and he has now made it the policy of the government of the United States that at 8 p.m. Washington, D.C., time (3:30 a.m. in Tehran), he will order the U.S. military to destroy Iran and its entire civilization—permanently—unless his terms are met. (He did not specify those terms, but on Easter Sunday, he posted a frenzied and obscenity-laden message on Truth Social demanding that Iran reopen the Strait of Hormuz.) Whether the president is saying this with full control of his faculties or has well and truly lost his mind is irrelevant: He is still the president, and so we must consider the meaning of this policy.

First, Trump is vowing to eradicate a nation of 92 million people and their entire culture, “never to be brought back again.” No leader standing in front of a court at The Hague would be able to finesse that language: “A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again” doesn’t leave a lot of room for charitable interpretations. Even Richard Nixon, the author of the “madman theory”—the notion that a president might seek advantage over an enemy by appearing to be irrational—never publicly threatened to wipe out Vietnam. Trump could argue that his threats against bridges and electricity plants might not be war crimes, if they have a military use, but his promise to erase a civilization from the Earth is a flat threat of genocide.

Second, the most important aspect of Trump’s threat is that it implies the use of nuclear weapons. Trump did not explicitly invoke nuclear arms, and he claims to abhor the idea of using them. (He has also, of course, asked why America has them if they can’t be used.) But the United States could launch every conventional munition it has, and although that kind of onslaught would immiserate the people of Iran, result in many deaths, and make reconstruction a long-term nightmare, Iranian civilization would survive. German civilization survived years of bombing so intense that the firestorms melted glass and asphalt; Japanese civilization survived similar incendiary attacks and two nuclear bombs. A threat to destroy an entire civilization in one night, assuming he means it, can be fulfilled only with the wide use of nuclear weapons.

The president now sounds no different from the authoritarian rulers of the world’s worst regimes. North Korea, when it was pursuing nuclear arms, would threaten to turn cities into “lakes of fire”; Iran, of course, has often threatened to “wipe Israel from the map,” which is why the world has been trying to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. Now Trump is making those same kinds of threats—and he has nuclear weapons.

In the past, Trump’s sycophants in the conservative media have tried to wave away his bellicosity as just the way he talks and dismiss concerns as pearl-clutching from people who just don’t get him. But would any American offer the same grace to Kim Jong Un or Iranian Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei, if they used the language Trump employed today?

Imagine how the United States would react if the leader of a major nuclear-armed power made a similar threat—if Russian President Vladimir Putin said something like Ukraine must submit to my demands by 0800 hours, or I will eradicate Ukrainian civilization, or if Chinese President Xi Jinping said, Taiwan must accept Chinese rule by sundown, or Taiwan, in one of the mostimportant moments in the long and complex history of the world, will be gone and never return. At the least, the United States would likely go on heightened military alert—and might even raise the readiness of its nuclear forces—because we would have to assume that such statements from a national leader are not mere bluster.

Even during the Cold War, American planners avoided such pronouncements. U.S. nuclear strategy prioritized targeting enemy nuclear weapons, command and control, military assets, and the enemy government. There were good reasons for this list of priorities: Those targets mirrored what the Soviets would strike in the United States. Had World War III erupted, the net effect would have been something akin to what Trump is threatening now, but as the horrifying consequence of a nuclear exchange, not as an intended goal. (In 1967, Robert McNamara, in a moment of exasperation with some hawkish questioning from Congress, blurted out that the Kremlin’s leaders knew that if they attacked America, we’d kill 120 million Soviets; he was trying, however, only to reaffirm the deterrent logic of mutual assured destruction, not advocating for such action.)

If Trump did give an order to attack civilian targets that have no military value as a means of collectively punishing the Iranian people, he would be ordering war crimes. If he directs the widespread and irrevocable destruction of Iranian civilization—that is, if he commands a genocide and especially if he approves the release of nuclear weapons—the U.S. military should refuse such blatantly illegal orders.

In a better world, Trump would face a revolt in his Cabinet over such orders. Unfortunately, his Cabinet is stocked with needy courtiers who, to date, have preferred to enable the president’s reckless schemes rather than argue with him or resign in protest. Indeed, they were chosen not for the strength of their character but for their pliancy: People such as Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard exist as national political figures only because they circle Trump like dwarf moons around a gas giant. They are not going to stop him.

Only Marco Rubio’s resignation would matter. Rubio, as secretary of state (and, concurrently, national security adviser), has a certain amount of political gravitas left, and if he spent it by threatening to walk out of the White House tonight as a private citizen, he might sway Trump from his mad threats. If Trump wishes to follow through on his threats, and the Cabinet declines to stop him, Congress could in theory convene and attempt to restrain him—but that seems even less likely to happen, despite some panicky concern from a few GOP senators.

Should Trump persist in his threatened course of action, then only a mass resignation of senior officers would stand between the president and a campaign of genocide. By this, I do not mean a mutiny or coup. The answer to Trump’s lawlessness is not more lawlessness. But American officers have a positive duty to refuse illegal orders, and the destruction of an entire civilization with nuclear weapons—which poses no similar threat to the United States—is as illegal as it gets. We must all hope that Trump’s message was an early-morning rant that got loose in the wild before anyone could stop him. But it’s out there now, and we are just hours away from his deadline. He is the president, and his words have meaning, and he has publicly committed the United States to the extermination of an entire nation.

If Trump gives that order, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff should lay his stars down in front of Trump. Then, each general who gets the order should do likewise, and each man—and it will be men, in Hegseth’s Pentagon—promoted as a replacement should do likewise, until Trump has a pile of stars and eagles on his desk. Trump may eventually find someone to fulfill his orders, but people of honor and duty need not be the unwilling instruments of so great a sin.

 


04/07/26 10:09 PM #19051    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Thanks for your posts Jack and Joan. Trump is out of control with threatening genocide. We need the 25th Amendment or Impeachment...He needs to go...of course Vance is awful waiting in the wings. Love, Joanie   :Looks like Trump changed his plans again...he is giving two more weeks now. 


04/09/26 02:09 PM #19052    

 

Jack Mallory

There's a lot more muskrat DNA than Trump DNA in this world. There is hope. 


04/10/26 07:45 AM #19053    

 

Jack Mallory

If, in the course of protesting the current madness, you are confronted by military or law enforcement, remember that some of them may be as troubled by it as you are.

https://www.npr.org/2026/04/10/nx-s1-5771612/military-iran-war-trump-conscientious-objector


04/10/26 09:02 AM #19054    

 

Jay Shackford

THE COSTS OF TRUMP’S IRAN-WAR FOLLY

If this is “total and complete victory,” 

imagine what failure looks like.

By Susan B. Glasser 

April 9, 2026

 

American hubris dies hard. Listening to the hyperventilations of Pete Hegseth on Wednesday morning, as he enthused about a tenuous ceasefire with Iran that may or may not mark the end of what President Donald Trump has called his “little excursion” in the Middle East, one might have been forgiven for thinking that America, aided by the hand of the Almighty himself and the “courage and resolve” of its Commander-in-Chief, had just pulled off one of the greatest wins in the long history of armed combat. Trump’s self-styled Secretary of War revelled in what he called “a capital-V military victory” against a “humiliated and demoralized” Iranian regime, cataloguing a six-week campaign of destruction that had “eliminated” the country’s senior leadership, sunk its Navy to “the bottom of the sea,” “wiped out” its Air Force, and “functionally destroyed” its missile program. Operation Epic Fury, he exulted, “achieved every single objective, on plan, on schedule, exactly as laid out from Day One.”

The President himself has been similarly effusive about his own great success since announcing a two-week cessation of hostilities with Iran at 6:32 p.m. on Tuesday, approximately an hour and a half before his self-imposed deadline for the Iranian government to agree to a deal or face civilizational erasure. The war, Trump told one of many journalists to whom he has granted quickie phone interviews this week, was nothing less than a “total and complete victory. One hundred per cent. No doubt about it.”

If this was victory, I’d hate to see what failure looks like. Perhaps the most immediate problem with the ceasefire—which was, according to Trump, supposed to be conditioned on the “COMPLETE, IMMEDIATE, and SAFE OPENING of the Strait of Hormuz”—is that it has not actually resulted in the complete, immediate, and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz, according to those who have been monitoring it. On Wednesday, just four ships, none of them oil tankers, passed through the strait, fewer than on the day before the ceasefire. By Thursday, traffic continued to be at a virtual standstill, with just seven ships transiting the strait, about ninety per cent less than normal. “Let’s be clear,” Sultan al-Jaber, the head of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company, said. “The Strait of Hormuz is not open.”

Iran has not only retained control over the strait through which one-fifth of the world’s oil-and-gas supply flows; it now asserts the right to charge millions of dollars in tolls to ships that wish to pass—a new status quo sanctioned by Trump that will enrich and entrench the theocratic government he started out the war wanting to topple. As long as this continues, oil prices will remain high and the world economy will pay the price for America’s costly war.

Instead of regime change, Trump has succeeded merely in swapping one Supreme Leader named Khamenei—the aging ayatollah whose killing Trump celebrated on the first day of the war—for another Supreme Leader named Khamenei, the ayatollah’s son, who appears to be even more of a hard-liner than his father was. As for the many, many other goals for the conflict that Trump had offered at various points, suffice it to say that he failed to achieve anything like the obliteration of Iran’s nuclear program, ballistic-missile arsenal, or proxy network of terrorist allies that might have constituted a positive outcome. (The reason, no doubt, that Israel kept firing away at Hezbollah in Lebanon even after the ceasefire was announced.) “Unconditional surrender” this was not.

The costs of Trump’s folly include far more than the thousands of deaths and tens of billions of dollars the Pentagon has spent on the war—from billions of dollars in damage to U.S. military installations, oil-and-gas production facilities, and civilian infrastructure in Bahrain, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, to the disruption of global supply chains and air-traffic routes, to the depletion of hard-to-replace air-defense and munitions stockpiles. The longer-term and less tangible costs may be even higher, as measured in the strained alliances in Asia and Europe with allies who refused to join Trump’s war and the erosion of the very idea of America as a global leader

No wonder, then, that where the Trumpists see victory, the rest of the world does not. A sampling of headlines from the past few days: “Donald Trump is the war’s biggest loser” (The Economist); “ ‘There are no winners’: US and Iran enter into a fragile truce” (Financial Times); “Trump’s Iran War Leaves the US Looking Weakened to Adversaries” (Bloomberg); “Why the US-Iran ceasefire is seen as a failure for Donald Trump” (South China Morning Post). Even Trump-friendly Fox News displayed a huge graphic that listed the President’s various unmet goals in the war, as a host announced, “the President’s demands—we have not reached any of those objectives.” Superpowers rarely inflict such swift and straightforwardly embarrassing injury to themselves. The Vietnam War lasted nearly two decades. The war in Iraq unfolded over nearly nine years. This act of self-harm took just thirty-eight days.

That Trump’s experiment in military adventurism would end so badly was not much of a surprise. For years, experts have gamed out exactly such a war with the Islamic Republic of Iran, with predictable consequences just like those that awaited Trump. This is why his predecessors Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden didn’t try it—it wasn’t because, as Trump suggested the other night, they were all cowards and losers

The shocker here was more that Trump—he of the “no new wars” campaign pledge—chose to go for it. This was no doubt because he was operating under his own version of the autocrat’s delusion: that he would achieve fast and nearly cost-free victory over a weakened enemy. As the Times reporters Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman revealed this week in their in-the-Situation Room account of how Trump decided to start the war, no one in his Cabinet of courtiers had the guts to challenge his mistaken assumptions. Reading it, I could not help but think of Vladimir Putin back in 2022, ordering his generals to invade Ukraine with their dress uniforms packed and ready for the victory parade in Kyiv that would surely soon follow. Sycophants make terrible war planners. Is it Hegseth’s fault, or Trump’s, that all that divine intervention and all those thirteen thousand strikes that our leaders have bragged about did not enable them to defeat Iran?

Much of what made the outcome of the war so embarrassing was Trump’s conduct during it—not only the constant lies and dissimulations about why he had launched the conflict and what he hoped to achieve from it but, even more, the spectacle he presented of unhinged, unaccountable American power. For weeks, culminating in his threat, on Tuesday morning, to wipe out the ancient civilization of Persia, the President crudely celebrated death and destruction, made light of the suffering he had unleashed, and encouraged America’s powerful military to engage in war crimes against a civilian population in whose name he had launched the war in the first place. All over the world, people wondered how this could possibly be: Had the most powerful man on the planet suddenly gone mad?

How awful, then, to have to admit what we Americans have seen for a decade now—this is not a new Trump but a very old one. Defeat will not temper his mania. There is no strategic setback so big as to embarrass him. Unchastened by failure, Trump, on Thursday morning, was shit-posting on social media about his plans for the U.S. military’s “next Conquest.”

To Trump, the inability to achieve the goals he himself articulated in a war of his choosing against Iran is just one more screwup. He has, after all, made a lifetime of catastrophic mistakes and still ended up as President—twice. He’ll handle this like all the rest by moving on and getting over it even before the cleanup crews have finished in Tel Aviv and Tehran. ♦︎

Susan B. Glasser, a staff writer at The New Yorker, has a weekly column on life in Washington and is a host of the Political Scene podcast. She is also a co-author of “The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021.”

 

04/10/26 09:20 AM #19055    

 

Jay Shackford

On Jack's posting of Tom Nichols's article in The Atlantic, I'm once again reminded of what Donald Trump asked his then chief-of-staff, Gen. John Kelly, during his first term in office:  "What's the use of have nuclear weapons if we can't use them."

 

 


04/10/26 10:52 AM #19056    

 

Jay Shackford

Trump: "What's the use of having nuclear weapons if we can't use them."  Sorry for the sloppy work. 


04/10/26 11:21 AM #19057    

 

Jack Mallory

Who needs nukes? Our "brave new squeeze" continues to bring us glorious victory. I'm sure Iranian school children and hospital patients are happy to sacrifice to contribute to the opening of the Straits of Hormuz (wait, wasn't that open before the war started?), regime replacement (Khamenei replaced by Khamenei?), and the obliteration (again?) of Iran's nuclear weapons program. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/04/09/world/middleeast/us-israel-strikes-iran-structures-damage.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
 


04/10/26 01:20 PM #19058    

 

Jay Shackford

Truth and Accountability Project

 

Trump is not ok. He is in a steep mental decline and becoming increasingly unstable, unhinged and reckless. The damage he has already done to the global economy and global stability will already take years to fix, if he is office any longer the damage will be generational.

#truth #corruption #accountability #america #politics #President #UnitedStates #usa #government #Congress

 

"IN 12 HOURS TRUMP WENT FROM THREATENING TO WIPE OUT 90 MILLION IRANIANS TO CAPITULATING TO ALL OF

IRAN'S DEMANDS.

THAT WILLINGNESS TO COMMIT

UNSPEAKABLE ATROCITIES IS NOT A "NEGOTIATING TACTIC," IT DEMONSTRATES

TRUMP'S SEVERE MENTAL INSTABILITY."

 

REP. SYDNEY KAMLAGER-DOVE D-CA

 

"TRUMP HAS SKILLFULLY, MASTERFULLY,

INGENIOUSLY....

CAUSED IRAN TO CHARGE SHIPS $2 MILLION A POP TO TRANSIT THE STRAIT

OF HORMUZ, WHICH USED TO BE FREE. AND HE'S SHOWN THE WORLD THAT THE U.S. CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT WHINE ON TRUTH SOCIAL ABOUT IT

BRILLIANT STRATEGY SIR."

 

RYAN STYGAR

 

"IN THE HOURS FOLLOWING TRUMP'S THREAT TO KILL AN ENTIRE CIVILIZATION, ONE DID DIE, JUST NOT THE ONE HE WAS THREATENING. A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY DOES NOT LET ITS PRESIDENT THREATEN GENOCIDE FROM HIS PHONE AND FACE ZERO CONSEQUENCES. THE CIVILIZATION WE LOST YESTERDAY WAS OUR OWN. BUT

THERE'S STILL TIME TO SAVE IT.

TRUMP MUST GO."

 

@ITSALOVELYLIFE

 

BEFORE DONALD TRUMP LAUNCHED THIS UNNECESSARY AND COSTLY WAR, THE STRAIT

OF HORMUZ WAS OPEN, GAS WAS $1 LESS AND 13 MORE AMERICAN SERVICE MEMBERS WERE

ALIVE. ONLY SOMEONE AS DEEPLY INCOMPETENT, DELUSIONAL AND UNFIT AS TRUMP WOULD SEE THIS AS "WINNING."

 

SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH D-IL


04/11/26 08:09 AM #19059    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jay, I agree that Trump is extremely unhinged. He is so dangerous and has already gotten us into a major crisis. He is the coo coo war President. We are in big trouble with him at the helm...tho its hard to lift our spirits with all this going on, its beautiful to see Spring arriving in the DC metro area...The beautiful blossoming trees and flowers are a welcome escape...also seeing Jacks photos are too! Love, Joanie


04/11/26 05:37 PM #19060    

 

Jack Mallory

If you ever thought you wanted a football as a pet, maybe you really want a muskrat!


04/12/26 11:37 AM #19061    

 

Jack Mallory

Trump has closed the Straits of Hormuth until Iran opens the Straits of Hormuth. Right up there with Trump's threats of the mass destruction of Iran's civilization unless Iran gives up the development of weapons of mass destruction. 

Ok. I see. I guess. Maybe I’m just old and confused.
 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/04/12/world/iran-war-trump-talks-pakistan?unlocked_article_code=1.aVA.Sz0c.AmlVukliE2A9&smid=nytcore-ios-share

I'll just go feed my muskrat. 

*******

But now he's backed off (TACOed). Blockading Iranian ports, not the Strait itself. 


04/13/26 11:01 AM #19062    

 

Jack Mallory

Words fail me. Doesn't happen very often. 
 


 


04/13/26 06:32 PM #19063    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Anyone want to read what the felon posted along with the Jesus AI picture?

He appears to think that the Pope is a political figure concerned with "foreign policy" and is "weak on crime". Hey, Jesus was weak on crime too. He hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors and prisoners. The felon has NO understanding of religious figures who devote their lives to ministering to others and helping those less fortunate. He would likely call them losers. 

 

Pope Leo is WEAK on Crime, and terrible for Foreign Policy. He talks about “fear” of the Trump Administration, but doesn’t mention the FEAR that the Catholic Church, and all other Christian Organizations, had during COVID when they were arresting priests, ministers, and everybody else, for holding Church Services, even when going outside, and being ten and even twenty feet apart. I like his brother Louis much better than I like him, because Louis is all MAGA. He gets it, and Leo doesn’t! I don’t want a Pope who thinks it’s OK for Iran to have a Nuclear Weapon. I don’t want a Pope who thinks it’s terrible that America attacked Venezuela, a Country that was sending massive amounts of Drugs into the United States and, even worse, emptying their prisons, including murderers, drug dealers, and killers, into our Country. And I don’t want a Pope who criticizes the President of the United States because I’m doing exactly what I was elected, IN A LANDSLIDE, to do, setting Record Low Numbers in Crime, and creating the Greatest Stock Market in History. Leo should be thankful because, as everyone knows, he was a shocking surprise. He wasn’t on any list to be Pope, and was only put there by the Church because he was an American, and they thought that would be the best way to deal with President Donald J. Trump. If I wasn’t in the White House, Leo wouldn’t be in the Vatican. Unfortunately, Leo’s Weak on Crime, Weak on Nuclear Weapons, does not sit well with me, nor does the fact that he meets with Obama Sympathizers like David Axelrod, a LOSER from the Left, who is one of those who wanted churchgoers and clerics to be arrested. Leo should get his act together as Pope, use Common Sense, stop catering to the Radical Left, and focus on being a Great Pope, not a Politician. It’s hurting him very badly and, more importantly, it’s hurting the Catholic Church! President DONALD J. TRUMP


04/14/26 07:41 AM #19064    

 

Jack Mallory

Evidence of my own unconscious mindset. Just noticed that when Trump fantasizes about healing the sick, raising the dead, he only heals and raises white folk. Eight out of eight, not counting the unidentifiables in the background. 


04/14/26 10:29 AM #19065    

 

Jay Shackford

(Editor's Note:  I’ve waited sending this article out for more than a week because it was so long. But it helps explain the nation’s worst foreign policy blunder since the Vietnam War, and it might be even worse than we can imagine.)

How Trump Took the U.S. to War With Iran

By Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman

The New York Times

April 6, 2026

 

The black S.U.V. carrying Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arrived at the White House just before 11 a.m. on Feb. 11. The Israeli leader, who had been pressing for months for the United States to agree to a major assault on Iran, was whisked inside with little ceremony, out of view of reporters, primed for one of the most high-stakes moments in his long career.

U.S. and Israeli officials gathered first in the Cabinet Room, adjacent to the Oval Office. Then Mr. Netanyahu headed downstairs for the main event: a highly classified presentation on Iran for President Trump and his team in the White House Situation Room, which was rarely used for in-person meetings with foreign leaders.

Mr. Trump sat down, but not in his usual position at the head of the room’s mahogany conference table. Instead, the president took a seat on one side, facing the large screens mounted along the wall. Mr. Netanyahu sat on the other side, directly opposite the president.

Appearing on the screen behind the prime minister was David Barnea, the director of Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, as well as Israeli military officials. Arrayed visually behind Mr. Netanyahu, they created the image of a wartime leader surrounded by his team.

 

Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff, sat at the far end of the table. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who doubled as the national security adviser, had taken his regular seat. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who generally sat together in such settings, were on one side; joining them was John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director. Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and Steve Witkoff, Mr. Trump’s special envoy, who had been negotiating with the Iranians, rounded out the main group.

The gathering had been kept deliberately small to guard against leaks. Other top cabinet secretaries had no idea it was happening. Also absent was the vice president. JD Vance was in Azerbaijan, and the meeting had been scheduled on such short notice that he was unable to make it back in time.

The presentation that Mr. Netanyahu would make over the next hour would be pivotal in setting the United States and Israel on the path toward a major armed conflict in the middle of one of the world’s most volatile regions. And it would lead to a series of discussions inside the White House over the following days and weeks, the details of which have not been previously reported, in which Mr. Trump weighed his options and the risks before giving the go-ahead to join Israel in attacking Iran.

This account of how Mr. Trump took the United States into war is drawn from reporting for a forthcoming book, “Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.” It reveals how the deliberations inside the administration highlighted the president’s instincts, his inner circle’s fractures and the way he runs the White House. It draws on extensive interviews conducted on the condition of anonymity to recount internal discussions and sensitive issues.

 

The reporting underscores how closely Mr. Trump’s hawkish thinking aligned with Mr. Netanyahu’s over many months, more so than even some of the president’s key advisers recognized. Their close association has been an enduring feature across two administrations, and that dynamic — however fraught at times — has fueled intense criticism and suspicion on both the left and the right of American politics.

And it shows how, in the end, even the more skeptical members of Mr. Trump’s war cabinet — with the stark exception of Mr. Vance, the figure inside the White House most opposed to a full-scale war — deferred to the president’s instincts, including his abundant confidence that the war would be quick and decisive. The White House declined to comment.

 

In the Situation Room on Feb. 11, Mr. Netanyahu made a hard sell, suggesting that Iran was ripe for regime change and expressing the belief that a joint U.S.-Israeli mission could finally bring an end to the Islamic Republic.

At one point, the Israelis played for Mr. Trump a brief video that included a montage of potential new leaders who could take over the country if the hard-line government fell. Among those featured was Reza Pahlavi, the exiled son of Iran’s last shah, now a Washington-based dissident who had tried to position himself as a secular leader who could shepherd Iran toward a post-theocratic government.

 

Mr. Netanyahu and his team outlined conditions they portrayed as pointing to near-certain victory: Iran’s ballistic missile program could be destroyed in a few weeks. The regime would be so weakened that it could not choke off the Strait of Hormuz, and the likelihood that Iran would land blows against U.S. interests in neighboring countries was assessed as minimal.

Besides, Mossad’s intelligence indicated that street protests inside Iran would begin again and — with the impetus of the Israeli spy agency helping to foment riots and rebellion — an intense bombing campaign could foster the conditions for the Iranian opposition to overthrow the regime. The Israelis also raised the prospect of Iranian Kurdish fighters crossing the border from Iraq to open a ground front in the northwest, further stretching the regime’s forces and accelerating its collapse.

Mr. Netanyahu delivered his presentation in a confident monotone. It seemed to land well with the most important person in the room, the American president.

Sounds good to me, Mr. Trump told the prime minister. To Mr. Netanyahu, this signaled a likely green light for a joint U.S.-Israeli operation.

Mr. Netanyahu was not the only one who came away from the meeting with the impression that Mr. Trump had all but made up his mind. The president’s advisers could see that he had been deeply impressed by the promise of what Mr. Netanyahu’s military and intelligence services could do, just as he had been when the two men spoke before the 12-day war with Iran in June.

 

Earlier in his White House visit on Feb. 11, Mr. Netanyahu had tried to focus the minds of the Americans assembled in the Cabinet Room on the existential threat posed by Iran’s 86-year-old supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

When others in the room asked the prime minister about possible risks in the operation, Mr. Netanyahu acknowledged these but made one central point: In his view, the risks of inaction were greater than the risks of action. He argued that the price of action would only grow if they delayed striking and allowed Iran more time to accelerate its missile production and create a shield of immunity around its nuclear program.

Everyone in the room understood that Iran had the capacity to build up its missile and drone stockpiles at a far lower cost and much more quickly than the United States could build and supply the much more expensive interceptors to protect American interests and allies in the region.

Mr. Netanyahu’s presentations — and Mr. Trump’s positive response to them — created an urgent task for the U.S. intelligence community. Overnight, analysts worked to assess the viability of what the Israeli team had told the president.

‘Farcical’

The results of the U.S. intelligence analysis were shared the following day, Feb. 12, in another meeting for only American officials in the Situation Room. Before Mr. Trump arrived, two senior intelligence officials briefed the president’s inner circle.

 

The intelligence officials had deep expertise in U.S. military capabilities, and they knew the Iranian system and its players inside out. They had broken down Mr. Netanyahu’s presentation into four parts. First was decapitation — killing the ayatollah. Second was crippling Iran’s capacity to project power and threaten its neighbors. Third was a popular uprising inside Iran. And fourth was regime change, with a secular leader installed to govern the country.

The U.S. officials assessed that the first two objectives were achievable with American intelligence and military power. They assessed that the third and fourth parts of Mr. Netanyahu’s pitch, which included the possibility of the Kurds mounting a ground invasion of Iran, were detached from reality.

When Mr. Trump joined the meeting, Mr. Ratcliffe briefed him on the assessment. The C.I.A. director used one word to describe the Israeli prime minister’s regime change scenarios: “farcical.”

 

At that point, Mr. Rubio cut in. “In other words, it’s bullshit,” he said.

Mr. Ratcliffe added that given the unpredictability of events in any conflict, regime change could happen, but it should not be considered an achievable objective.

 

Several others jumped in, including Mr. Vance, just back from Azerbaijan, who also expressed strong skepticism about the prospect of regime change.

The president then turned to General Caine. “General, what do you think?”

General Caine replied: “Sir, this is, in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They oversell, and their plans are not always well-developed. They know they need us, and that’s why they’re hard-selling.”

Mr. Trump quickly weighed the assessment. Regime change, he said, would be “their problem.” It was unclear whether he was referring to the Israelis or the Iranian people. But the bottom line was that his decision on whether to go to war against Iran would not hinge on whether Parts 3 and 4 of Mr. Netanyahu’s presentation were achievable.

Mr. Trump appeared to remain very interested in accomplishing Parts 1 and 2: killing the ayatollah and Iran’s top leaders and dismantling the Iranian military.

General Caine — the man Mr. Trump liked to refer to as “Razin’ Caine” — had impressed the president years earlier by telling him the Islamic State could be defeated far more quickly than others had projected. Mr. Trump rewarded that confidence by elevating the general, who had been an Air Force fighter pilot, to be his top military adviser. General Caine was not a political loyalist, and he had serious concerns about a war with Iran. But he was very cautious in the way he presented his views to the president.

 

As the small team of advisers who were looped into the plans deliberated over the following days, General Caine shared with Mr. Trump and others the alarming military assessment that a major campaign against Iran would drastically deplete stockpiles of American weaponry, including missile interceptors, whose supply had been strained after years of support for Ukraine and Israel. General Caine saw no clear path to quickly replenishing these stockpiles.

He also flagged the enormous difficulty of securing the Strait of Hormuz and the risks of Iran blocking it. Mr. Trump had dismissed that possibility on the assumption that the regime would capitulate before it came to that. The president appeared to think it would be a very quick war — an impression that had been reinforced by the tepid response to the U.S. bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities in June.

General Caine’s role in the lead-up to the war captured a classic tension between military counsel and presidential decision-making. So persistent was the chairman in not taking a stand — repeating that it was not his role to tell the president what to do, but rather to present options along with potential risks and possible second- and third-order consequences — that he could appear to some of those listening to be arguing all sides of an issue simultaneously.

He would constantly ask, “And then what?” But Mr. Trump would often seem to hear only what he wanted to hear.

 

General Caine differed in almost every way from a prior chairman, Gen. Mark A. Milley, who had argued vociferously with Mr. Trump during his first administration and who saw his role as stopping the president from taking dangerous or reckless actions.

 

One person familiar with their interactions noted that Mr. Trump had a habit of confusing tactical advice from General Caine with strategic counsel. In practice, that meant the general might warn in one breath about the difficulties of one aspect of the operation, then in the next note that the United States had an essentially unlimited supply of cheap, precision-guided bombs and could strike Iran for weeks once it achieved air superiority.

To the chairman, these were separate observations. But Mr. Trump appeared to think that the second most likely canceled out the first.

At no point during the deliberations did the chairman directly tell the president that war with Iran was a terrible idea — though some of General Caine’s colleagues believed that was exactly what he thought.

Trump the Hawk

Distrusted as Mr. Netanyahu was by many of the president’s advisers, the prime minister’s view of the situation was far closer to Mr. Trump’s opinion than the anti-interventionists on the Trump team or in the broader “America First” movement liked to admit. This had been true for many years.

 

Of all the foreign policy challenges Mr. Trump had confronted across two presidencies, Iran stood apart. He regarded it as a uniquely dangerous adversary and was willing to take great risks to hinder the regime’s ability to wage war or to acquire a nuclear weapon. Furthermore, Mr. Netanyahu’s pitch had dovetailed with Mr. Trump’s desire to dismantle the Iranian theocracy, which had seized power in 1979, when Mr. Trump was 32. It had been a thorn in the side of the United States ever since.

Now, he could become the first president since the clerical leadership took over 47 years ago to pull off regime change in Iran. Usually unmentioned but always in the background was the added motivation that Iran had plotted to kill Mr. Trump as revenge over the assassination in January 2020 of Gen. Qassim Suleimani, who was seen in the United States as a driving force behind an Iranian campaign of international terrorism.

 

Back in office for a second term, Mr. Trump’s confidence in the U.S. military’s abilities had only grown. He was especially emboldened by the spectacular commando raid to capture the Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro from his compound on Jan. 3. No American lives were lost in the operation, yet more evidence to the president of the unmatched prowess of U.S. forces.

Within the cabinet, Mr. Hegseth was the biggest proponent of a military campaign against Iran.

Mr. Rubio indicated to colleagues that he was much more ambivalent. He did not believe the Iranians would agree to a negotiated deal, but his preference was to continue a campaign of maximum pressure rather than start a full-scale war. Mr. Rubio, however, did not try to talk Mr. Trump out of the operation, and after the war began he delivered the administration’s justification with full conviction.

 

Ms. Wiles had concerns about what a new conflict overseas could entail, but she did not tend to weigh in hard on military matters in larger meetings; rather, she encouraged advisers to share their views and concerns with the president in those settings. Ms. Wiles would exert influence on many other issues, but in the room with Mr. Trump and the generals, she sat back. Those close to her said she did not view it as her role to share her concerns with the president on a military decision in front of others. And she believed that the expertise of advisers like General Caine, Mr. Ratcliffe and Mr. Rubio was more significant for the president to hear.

 

Still, Ms. Wiles had told colleagues that she worried about the United States being dragged into another war in the Middle East. An attack on Iran carried with it the potential to set off soaring gas prices months before midterm elections that could help decide whether the final two years of Mr. Trump’s second term would be years of accomplishment or subpoenas from House Democrats. But in the end, Ms. Wiles was on board with the operation.

Vance the Skeptic

Nobody in Mr. Trump’s inner circle was more worried about the prospect of war with Iran, or did more to try to stop it, than the vice president.

Mr. Vance had built his political career opposing precisely the kind of military adventurism that was now under serious consideration. He had described a war with Iran as “a huge distraction of resources” and “massively expensive.”

 

He was not, however, a dove across the board. In January, when Mr. Trump publicly warned Iran to stop killing protesters and promised that help was on its way, Mr. Vance had privately encouraged the president to enforce his red line. But what the vice president pushed for was a limited, punitive strike, something closer to the model of Mr. Trump’s missile attack against Syria in 2017 over the use of chemical weapons against civilians.

The vice president thought a regime-change war with Iran would be a disaster. His preference was for no strikes at all. But knowing that Mr. Trump was likely to intervene in some fashion, he tried to steer toward more limited action. Later, when it seemed certain that the president was set on a large-scale campaign, Mr. Vance argued that he should do so with overwhelming force, in the hope of achieving his objectives quickly.

 

In front of his colleagues, Mr. Vance warned Mr. Trump that a war against Iran could cause regional chaos and untold numbers of casualties. It could also break apart Mr. Trump’s political coalition and would be seen as a betrayal by many voters who had bought into the promise of no new wars.

Mr. Vance raised other concerns, too. As vice president, he was aware of the scope of America’s munitions problem. A war against a regime with enormous will for survival could leave the United States in a far worse position to fight conflicts for some years.

 

The vice president told associates that no amount of military insight could truly gauge what Iran would do in retaliation when survival of the regime was at stake. A war could easily go in unpredictable directions. Moreover, he thought there seemed to be little chance of building a peaceful Iran in the aftermath.

Beyond all of this was perhaps the biggest risk of all: Iran held the advantage when it came to the Strait of Hormuz. If this narrow waterway carrying vast quantities of oil and natural gas was choked off, the domestic consequences in the United States would be severe, starting with higher gasoline prices.

Tucker Carlson, the commentator who had emerged as another prominent skeptic of intervention on the right, had come to the Oval Office several times over the previous year to warn Mr. Trump that a war with Iran would destroy his presidency. A couple weeks before the war began, Mr. Trump, who had known Mr. Carlson for years, tried to reassure him over the phone. “I know you’re worried about it, but it’s going to be OK,” the president said. Mr. Carlson asked how he knew. “Because it always is,” Mr. Trump replied.

In the final days of February, the Americans and the Israelis discussed a piece of new intelligence that would significantly accelerate their timeline. The ayatollah would be meeting above ground with other top officials of the regime, in broad daylight and wide open for an air attack. It was a fleeting chance to strike at the heart of Iran’s leadership, the kind of target that might not present itself again.

Mr. Trump gave Iran another chance to come to a deal that would block its path to nuclear weapons. The diplomacy also gave the United States extra time to move military assets to the Middle East.

 

The president had effectively made up his mind weeks earlier, several of his advisers said. But he had not yet decided exactly when. Now, Mr. Netanyahu urged him to move fast.

That same week, Mr. Kushner and Mr. Witkoff called from Geneva after the latest talks with Iranian officials. Over three rounds of negotiations in Oman and Switzerland, the two had tested Iran’s willingness to make a deal. At one point, they offered the Iranians free nuclear fuel for the life of their program — a test of whether Tehran’s insistence on enrichment was truly about civilian energy or about preserving the ability to build a bomb.

The Iranians rejected the offer, calling it an assault on their dignity.

Mr. Kushner and Mr. Witkoff laid out the picture for the president. They could probably negotiate something, but it would take months, they said. If Mr. Trump was asking whether they could look him in the eye and tell him they could solve the problem, it was going to take a lot to get there, Mr. Kushner told him, because the Iranians were playing games.

‘I Think We Need to Do It’

On Thursday, Feb. 26, around 5 p.m., a final Situation Room meeting got underway. By now, the positions of everyone in the room were clear. Everything had been discussed in previous meetings; everyone knew everyone else’s stance. The discussion would last about an hour and a half.

Mr. Trump was in his usual place at the head of the table. To his right sat the vice president; next to Mr. Vance was Ms. Wiles, then Mr. Ratcliffe, then the White House counsel, David Warrington, then Steven Cheung, the White House communications director. Across from Mr. Cheung was Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary; to her right was General Caine, then Mr. Hegseth and Mr. Rubio.

 

The war-planning group had been kept so tight that the two key officials who would need to manage the largest supply disruption in the history of the global oil market, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Energy Secretary Chris Wright, were excluded, as was Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence.

The president opened the meeting, asking, OK, what have we got?

 

Mr. Hegseth and Mr. Caine ran through the sequencing of the attacks. Then Mr. Trump said he wanted to go around the table and hear everyone’s views.

Mr. Vance, whose disagreement with the whole premise was well established, addressed the president: You know I think this is a bad idea, but if you want to do it, I’ll support you.

Ms. Wiles told Mr. Trump that if he felt he needed to proceed for America’s national security, then he should go ahead.

 

Mr. Ratcliffe offered no opinion on whether to proceed, but he discussed the stunning new intelligence that the Iranian leadership was about to gather in the ayatollah’s compound in Tehran. The C.I.A. director told the president that regime change was possible depending on how the term was defined. “If we just mean killing the supreme leader, we can probably do that,” he said.

When called on, Mr. Warrington, the White House counsel, said it was a legally permissible option in terms of how the plan had been conceived by U.S. officials and presented to the president. He did not offer a personal opinion, but when pressed by the president to provide one, he said that as a Marine veteran he had known an American service member killed by Iran years earlier. This issue remained deeply personal. He told the president that if Israel intended to proceed regardless, the United States should do so as well.

Mr. Cheung laid out the likely public relations fallout: Mr. Trump had run for office opposed to further wars. People had not voted for conflict overseas. The plans ran contrary, too, to everything the administration had said after the bombing campaign against Iran in June. How would they explain away eight months of insisting that Iranian nuclear facilities had been totally obliterated? Mr. Cheung gave neither a yes nor a no, but he said that whatever decision Mr. Trump made would be the right one.

Ms. Leavitt told the president that this was his decision and that the press team would manage it as best they could.

Mr. Hegseth adopted a narrow position: They would have to take care of the Iranians eventually, so they might as well do it now. He offered technical assessments: They could run the campaign in a certain amount of time with a given level of forces.

 

General Caine was sober, laying out the risks and what the campaign would mean for munitions depletion. He offered no opinion; his position was that if Mr. Trump ordered the operation, the military would execute. Both of the president’s top military leaders previewed how the campaign would unfold and the U.S. capacity to degrade Iran’s military capabilities.

When it was his turn to speak, Mr. Rubio offered more clarity, telling the president: If our goal is regime change or an uprising, we shouldn’t do it. But if the goal is to destroy Iran’s missile program, that’s a goal we can achieve.

Everyone deferred to the president’s instincts. They had seen him make bold decisions, take on unfathomable risks and somehow come out on top. No one would impede him now.

“I think we need to do it,” the president told the room. He said they had to make sure Iran could not have a nuclear weapon, and they had to ensure that Iran could not just shoot missiles at Israel or throughout the region.

General Caine told Mr. Trump that he had some time; he did not need to give the go-ahead until 4 p.m. the following day.

 

Aboard Air Force One the next afternoon, 22 minutes before General Caine’s deadline, Mr. Trump sent the following order: “Operation Epic Fury is approved. No aborts. Good luck.”


04/14/26 11:00 AM #19066    

 

Robert Hall

25

04/14/26 12:06 PM #19067    

 

Jay Shackford

Robert -- 25?  What's that mean?


04/14/26 01:16 PM #19068    

 

Robert Hall

25? Somehow that number just keeps popping up in my head Jay.

04/14/26 01:33 PM #19069    

 

Jack Mallory

25 is totally Vance-dependent. I'm guessing he thinks getting involved with that might screw his electoral chances in 28. Regardless of the service to the nation, and the world, that 25 would provide. 


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