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05/31/25 10:39 PM #18246    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, thanks for posting those Herblock cartoons. He was just the greatest. I loved reading and looking at his cartoons each day. Love, Joanie

I agree and the phrase, "have you no shame" that really fits Trump as he has no shame. Its really amazing how many people excuse his behavior because they like kicking out immigrants or cutting out government programs even though they help keep us safe and help needy children and the poor. 


06/01/25 07:09 AM #18247    

 

Jack Mallory

It's weird, really weird. Not infrequently I wake up to an HRC column (https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-31-2025?publication_id=20533&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&r=asnwm) that makes me feel like she and I have been conducting some midnight, dream-state sharing of thoughts. Here are some excerpts from her column, published this morning, as she considers the use of character assassination in service of attacks on democracy, historically and in the present (the emphases are mine):

"'I would like to speak briefly and simply about a serious national condition,' Senator Margaret Chase Smith of Maine told her colleagues on June 1, 1950. 'It is a national feeling of fear and frustration that could result in national suicide and the end of everything that we Americans hold dear…. I speak as a Republican, I speak as a woman. I speak as a United States senator. I speak as an American . . . Those of us who shout the loudest about Americanism in making character assassinations are all too frequently those who, by our own words and acts, ignore some of the basic principles of Americanism.'"

HRC goes on to list those basic principles cited by Senator Smith: 
"'The right to criticize

"'The right to hold unpopular beliefs
"The right to protest
"'The right of independent thoughts'"

And HRC cites Senator Smith, “I do not want to see the Republican party ride to political victory on the Four Horsemen of Calumny—Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry, and Smear.”

I was inordinately pleased to see that Smith and I had both found that seldom-used word, calumny, fitting in speaking of the Republican Party in the McCarthy era of the 1950s and today. 
 

The President that represents MAGA, though by his own choice apparently not the rest of us, is riding those same four horses: Fear, Ignorance, Bigotry, and Smear.

His supporters and apologists ride those horses also. 

 

06/02/25 07:55 AM #18248    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, thanks for posting the HRC articles. I especially love the quote she included of Thomas Jefferson saying, "when the public fears the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Love, Joanie


06/03/25 08:09 PM #18249    

 

Jack Mallory

Pleased to give credit when it's due. We don't see it here on the Forum, but not all Trump supporters are wilfully blind to his corruption.  

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/02/nx-s1-5420699/the-fallout-in-a-virginia-county-after-trump-pardoned-a-former-sheriff

**********
And this morning's administration horseman of calumny is BIGOTRY!

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/06/03/hegseth-orders-navy-strip-name-of-gay-rights-icon-harvey-milk-ship.html


06/04/25 07:25 AM #18250    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, thank you for your post with those two important articles. How disgraceful that Hegseth is ordering changing the names of ships like the one that had a gay man's name on it and its intentional that its being done during Pride week. Then other ship names are on the chopping block possibly like Thurgood Marshall, and Ruth Bader Ginsberg, etc. These are insulting moves that the Trump Administration likes to push forward to squelch diversity and folks who have different positions then them...Then the article about the corrupt sheriff up for a pardon is another disgrace. Even many Maga voters are against it.

Here is an article about Ukraine's amazing attack on Russia with drones. Its worth readimg. Love, Joanie

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-swatarning-to-the-world-s-other-military-forces/ar-AA1FXbcL


06/05/25 07:33 AM #18251    

 

Jack Mallory

Science under Trump and RFK Jr.--Hegseth commited security breaches that a 2nd Lieutenant would be court martialed for. Kennedy oversees research that a graduate student would be shit-canned for. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/29/well/maha-report-citations.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


06/05/25 12:29 PM #18252    

 

Jay Shackford

"Subprime Trump" Talking Points

  • The $400 million luxury jet that Qatar gave to Trump is made of China "steel."
  • Who knew that "stop the steal" really meant "stop the Steel."
  • On that "Big, Bad, Budget-Busting" Bill, you have to vote for it to find out what's in it."
  • Elon Musk issues apology to Rex Tillerslon and General Milley:  "You were right about this guy all along."

06/05/25 06:14 PM #18253    

 

Jack Mallory

Not to forget the more important things in life. Morning on the water, afternoon behind the house:

 

Ever see anything odder than this?

 


Never seen a human catch anything this big back here. 


06/05/25 07:27 PM #18254    

 

Jay Shackford

(Editor’s note: Going through my email, I came across this gem of an article from the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank, which was published on May 30  before the big blow up between Elon Musk and our “subprime”  President and before Ukraine took out dozens of Russian bombers with drones in a daring and ingenious attack that could change how we fight wars in the years ahead. It was too good to pass up. Happy Summer everyone. School is out and everyone is heading for the beach, except for the kid who is finishing his deck, watching the NHL (hockey) and NBA playoffs before heading for Vegas.) 

 

The TACO President

By Dana Milbank/The Washington Post

May 30, 2025

 

On Tuesday evening (May 27), Elon Musk’s SpaceX launched its Starship rocket on a test mission after two straight failures. The launch went well enough this time, but while the behemoth was on the edge of space, it lost control, started tumbling and eventually broke apart.

 

Or, as SpaceX put it: “Starship experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly.”

 

The same might be said of Musk himself.

 

He launched his “DOGE” effort to slash the federal government with explosive force, wiping out whole agencies overnight without regard for the law or the human toll. But his mission, hobbled by its own recklessness and by the courts, produced only a fraction of the cuts Musk had promised — while the billionaire’s tarnished reputation prompted a collapse in Tesla sales. On Wednesday night, Musk, who had been pulling back from his government work, hung up his chainsaw entirely.

 

In a broader sense, the entire Trump presidency, four months after its incendiary launch, is now experiencing a rapid unscheduled disassembly of sorts.

 

On “Liberation Day” two months ago, Trump unveiled the core of his economic plan: a massive increase in tariffs on most of the world. But he has since staged several retreats and surrenders in his trade war, and on Wednesday evening, about an hour before Musk called it quits, a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of International Trade axed most of the remaining tariffs; that and a second ruling invalidating the tariffs are on hold pending appeals. The judges — two of them Republican-appointed, and one a Trump appointee — said Trump had usurped congressional power to levy tariffs.

 

The centerpiece of Trump’s legislative agenda, a massive tax-and-spending bill, was trashed this week by none other than Musk, who said in an interview with CBS News: “I was disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, not just decreases it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing.” As written, the bill hikes the federal debt by about $4 trillion, transfers wealth from the poor to the rich and does almost nothing to alter the main drivers of federal deficits.

 

In foreign affairs, Trump had said he would end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours and would rekindle relations with Russia. Instead, Vladimir Putin has made Trump’s overtures look foolish as he continues to brutalize Ukraine. “Putin is making a mockery of Trump,” Republican Rep. Don Bacon of Nebraska told Fox News this week.

 

At home, Trump’s mass deportations haven’t happened, and his administration has accumulated an astonishing record of losses in federal courts as judges appointed by presidents from both parties reject his attempt at governing by fiat.

 

What remains is the wreckage: a loss of faith in U.S. credit, reflected in what the Brits are calling a “moron premium” that the markets are imposing on Trump, which is pushing up bond yields and interest rates; a generation of talent departing the federal government; a loss of goodwill among foreign partners that would take years to rebuild, if it can be rebuilt at all; and the devastation of the scientific research at American universities that has long powered the American economy.

 

During the Biden years, Trump liked to say that “the world is laughing at us.” Now it really is.

 

A columnist for Britain’s Financial Times came up with a term to describe Trump’s effect on markets: the “TACO” trade, short for Trump Always Chickens Out. The term, now popular among investors, describes the sell-off that happens when Trump makes a tariff threat, followed by the relief rally that occurs when he backs down.

 

The fastest TACO happened over the weekend. Trump announced 50 percent tariffs on the European Union on Friday morning. On Sunday evening, Trump suspended the still-not-imposed tariffs. The only thing that happened in between was the two sides agreed to talk — which they were already doing.

 

Likewise, the Russian government is now mocking Trump. On Sunday evening, after Russia pounded Ukraine with hundreds of missiles and drone strikes, Trump posted that “something has happened” to Putin. “He has gone absolutely CRAZY! He is needlessly killing a lot of people.”

A Kremlin spokesman attributed Trump’s remarks to “emotional overload.”

On Tuesday morning, a petulant Trump posted again: “What Vladimir Putin doesn’t realize is that if it weren’t for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He’s playing with fire!”

 

The Russian state-owned propaganda outlet RT immediately responded to Trump’s “playing with fire” threat. “Trump’s message leaves little room for misinterpretation,” it wrote. “Until he posts the opposite tomorrow morning.”

 

The various components of Trump’s rapid, unscheduled disassembly tumbled into the Oval Office Wednesday during an antic Q&A session with reporters.

 

Was Russia being disrespectful in calling him emotional?

 

What does his “playing with fire” threat mean?

 

Could he really have prevented the Ukraine invasion, given that Putin “doesn’t seem willing to do anything that you want him to do”?

What’s his reaction to Musk criticizing his “big, beautiful bill” of tax cuts?

And, from CNBC’s Megan Cassella: “Mr. President, Wall Street analysts have coined a new term called the TACO trade. They’re saying Trump Always Chickens Out on your tariff threats, and that’s why markets are higher this week. What’s your response to that?”

 

“I kick out?” Trump inquired.

 

“Chicken out,” Cassella repeated.

 

“Oh, isn’t that I chicken out. I’ve never heard that,” Trump said, before launching into a rambling explanation of why he is not a barnyard bird. “Six months ago, this country was stone-cold dead. We had a dead country. We had a country — people didn’t think it was going to survive, and you ask a nasty question like that.”

 

He admitted his 145 percent tariff against China had been “a ridiculous high number” before returning to scolding Cassella. “Don’t ever say what you said. That’s a nasty question. To me, that’s the nastiest question.” The reporters moved to other topics, but Trump, clearly ruffled, went on squawking about the fowl insult.

 

“Now, when I make a deal …. They’ll say, ‘oh, he was chicken, he was chicken.’ That’s unbelievable,” Trump protested. “I usually have the opposite problem. They say, you’re too tough.”

 

It was the classic case of the bully getting punched in the nose. Trump had imposed outrageous tariffs on much of the world, and his treasury secretary warned trading partners, “Do not retaliate.” But they did retaliate. China imposed steep tariffs against the U.S., and the E.U. was preparing to do the same. Trump folded — and now he’s squealing about the unfairness of it all.

 

In the case of the trade war, it’s a blessing for the U.S. economy that Trump retreated. In the case of Putin, it’s a disaster that Trump won’t back up his threats. In all cases, though, the lesson is clear: The targets of Trump’s bullying rarely win him over with obeisance; he simply demands more. The better course is to do (metaphorically speaking, of course) what Musk described to his biographer, Walter Isaacson: “They might beat the s**t out of me, but if I had punched them hard in the nose, they wouldn’t come after me again.”

 

Try it, and the president might just serve up another TACO.

 

The White House put out a statement this week after the monthly consumer-confidence report showed an unexpected increase. “Despite doomsday prophesizing by the ‘experts,’ President Trump’s America First economic agenda of tariffs … continues to pay off,” it claimed. In fact, the jump in confidence, after five months of declines, occurred precisely because Trump abandoned his “America First economic agenda of tariffs.” The Conference Board, which runs the survey, specifically cited the trade truce with China.

 

Trump beat another retreat from his protectionist agenda when he blessed the takeover of U.S. Steel by Japan’s Nippon Steel. He had said before taking office that he was “totally against” the sale and would “block this deal from happening. Buyer Beware!!!” But last week Trump okayed the sale — with new provisions said to give the U.S. government more influence over operations but with the overall deal intact.

 

Musk described the DOGE retreat in surprisingly candid terms this week. “The federal bureaucracy situation is much worse than I realized,” he told The Post’s Christian Davenport. “I thought there were problems, but it sure is an uphill battle trying to improve things in D.C., to say the least.” He complained that U.S. DOGE Service had become a “whipping boy” and said it would restrict its work to more modest projects, such as improving computer systems. That was Tuesday. On Wednesday, he walked away from the whole thing.

 

On Russia, Trump is showing himself to be a paper tiger, constantly making threats (“I’m not happy!” “I don’t like it at all!”) but then retreating to inaction when Putin continues the bombing. Asked how he’s going to make good on his threats, Trump keeps saying “we’ll see” and “I’m not going to tell you” — and proposing that he needs another two weeks to divine Putin’s intentions.

 

Trump also seems to be retreating from his attempt to punish law firms that represent his opponents. After he bullied Paul Weiss and other firms into providing pro bono work for Trump-backed causes, four firms that fought Trump’s bullying have prevailed in court. In the latest ruling, Judge Richard Leon, a George W. Bush appointee, rejected with almost Trumpian punctuation the administration’s attempt to cripple WilmerHale. The administration attempted “a staggering punishment for the firm’s protected speech!” Failing to invalidate the entire executive order “would be unfaithful to the judgment and vision of the Founding Fathers!”

After the repeated losses, Trump’s interest in the whole effort has flagged. Partners at firms that expected to be punished by Trump tell me they are pleasantly surprised that nothing has happened.

 

Trump’s focus now is on punishing Harvard University for refusing to allow the administration to dictate the school’s academic and admissions policies. He has cut off more than $3 billion in grants to the school and tried to block it from enrolling international students. The House version of Trump’s tax bill would impose an 11-fold increase in endowment taxes paid by Harvard and other top schools. Combined, these punitive measures would increase tuition, send the next generation of technology innovators overseas and cripple scientific research in fields such as quantum computing. (It’s all so self-defeating that Melania Trump this week felt it necessary to bat down an internet conspiracy theory holding that Harvard must have enraged the president by rejecting Barron Trump’s application.)

 

Harvard is punching back, as it should. It hired top Republican lawyers, it sued the Trump administration, and it has already won a temporary block of the ban on international students. The judge extended that ban on Thursday. And Trump, following the usual pattern, is becoming less belligerent in his tone. He has gone from proclaiming that “Harvard is a JOKE” that “teaches Hate and Stupidity” and pushes a “terrorist inspired/supporting ‘Sickness’” to saying: “Harvard has to understand the last thing I want to do is hurt them.”

 

Certainly, many of Trump’s abuses continue undiminished. He just pardoned a bunch of people who had been convicted of bribery, fraud, tax evasion and other crimes — at least in part to reward political supporters. Trump’s pardon attorney, Ed Martin, explained the rationale on X: “No MAGA left behind.” Trump now says he’s looking into pardoning the people who conspired to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat.

 

His Justice Department is investigating the Democratic fundraising platform ActBlue for possibly illegal foreign contributions, while ignoring that the same type of contributions went to the Republican platform, WinRed. He has appointed partisans to inspector general positions at agencies. His Federal Trade Commission is probing a left-leaning watchdog, Media Matters, in support of a lawsuit filed by Musk.

 

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. last week issued a health report citing studies that don’t exist, the news organization Notus discovered. Now Kennedy wants to bar government scientists from publishing in real medical journals such as the Lancet “because they’re all corrupt.”

 

Speaking of corruption, Evan Osnos reports in the New Yorker that those seeking an audience with Trump have paid $1 million apiece to his MAGA Inc. super PAC for a seat at a Mar-a-Lago group dinner and $5 million for “one-on-one conversations with the President.” Trump continues to ignore a law requiring him to sell or close TikTok, explaining this week that it’s because the Chinese-owned social media company “was very good to me” in the campaign.

 

He took new steps to politicize the U.S. military, delivering the commencement speech at West Point while wearing a MAGA cap. He used the address to boast about his “greatest election victory,” to disparage “drag shows” and “critical race theory,” to complain that “I went through more investigations than Alphonse Capone” — and to offer some thoughts on “trophy wives.”

 

He continues to diminish his office in ways large and small. On Memorial Day, he shared a post on Truth Social saying Democrats “stole the 2020 election and hijacked the country using a decrepit corpse as a front man.” In his remarks at Arlington National Cemetery, he celebrated his own good fortune: “We have the World Cup and we have the Olympics. … I have everything. Amazing the way things work out. God did that.”

 

And he continues to defy court orders. Three times judges have ordered the administration to bring back migrants it mistakenly deported without due process — and three times the administration has refused to comply. In an all-caps posting on Memorial Day, Trump complained about “THESE USA HATING JUDGES WHO SUFFER FROM AN IDEOLOGY THAT IS SICK, AND VERY DANGEROUS FOR OUR COUNTRY.”

 

The good news is more and more Americans are summoning the courage to fight back. This week, NPR and a trio of member stations sued the Trump administration over his executive order attempting to cut off its funds. As important as the lawsuit itself was the lead lawyer representing NPR: conservative legal luminary Miguel Estrada, who is the latest of several GOP super-lawyers — Paul Clement, Bill Burck, Robert Hur — to stand up to the Trump administration’s abuses.

 

“The order aims to punish NPR for the content of news and other programming the president dislikes and chill the free exercise of First Amendment rights by NPR and individual public radio stations across the country,” Estrada and his team wrote in their lawsuit. “The order is textbook retaliation and viewpoint-based discrimination in violation of the First Amendment.”

 

It was another blow, squarely landed, on the bully’s nose.

 

 

 

 


06/06/25 06:23 AM #18255    

 

Jack Mallory

1600 Pennsylvania Junior High!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/06/05/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-feud-timeline-posts.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

 

Read the Insults Hurled Between Trump and Musk

It all started in the Oval Office Thursday during a meeting with Germany’s new chancellor, Friedrich Merz, when a reporter asked President Trump about Elon Musk’s criticism of his domestic policy bill.

Mr. Trump’s sharp response kicked off a bitter online feud between the once-close allies, who had become more distant in recent weeks. Here are some of their pointed exchanges that played out throughout the day:

was here, as we had a wonderful sendoff.
 

President Trump began by saying that he and Mr. Musk “had” a great relationship, speaking in the past tense, and added that he was not sure it would continue.

Mr. Trump said that Mr. Musk, the billionaire leader of Tesla and SpaceX, was “upset” that the pending legislation would roll back subsidies for electric vehicles. Then he got in a particularly sharp jab, asserting he would have won the 2024 election without the millions of dollars Mr. Musk spent to support him.

That’s been right from the beginning.
 

Mr. Musk was watching. He renewed his attack on the bill on X, his social media platform.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Whatever. 

Keep the EV/solar incentive cuts in the bill, even though no oil & gas subsidies are touched (very unfair!!), but ditch the MOUNTAIN of DISGUSTING PORK in the bill. 

In the entire history of civilization, there has never been legislation that both big and beautiful. Everyone knows this!

Either you get a big and ugly bill or a slim and beautiful bill. 

Slim and beautiful is the way. 

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  • 12:19 PM · Jun 5, 2025

President Trump also maintained that Mr. Musk knew “every aspect of the bill,” saying that the tech executive did not have a problem with the measure until he left his government post. He said he was “very disappointed in Elon.”

and he never had a problem until right after he left.
 

Mr. Musk rejected the assertion that he had known what was going to be in the bill.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

False, this bill was never shown to me even once and was passed in the dead of night so fast that almost no one in Congress could even read it!

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  • 12:25 PM · Jun 5, 2025

And he objected to the idea that Mr. Trump would have won back office without his help.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Replying to @AutismCapital

Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate.

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  • 12:46 PM · Jun 5, 2025
Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Such ingratitude

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  • 12:46 PM · Jun 5, 2025

He also criticized the president for reversing course on his promise to reduce the deficit.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Where is the man who wrote these words?

Was he replaced by a body double!?

DogeDesigner's profile image on X

DogeDesigner 

@cb_doge  · 

Elon Musk reminded President Trump of his own words.

Times alt text of image in post: A screengrab of a series of X posts by Elon Musk.
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  • 1:49 PM · Jun 5, 2025

Maybe, Mr. Musk suggested, it was time for a new political party.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents the 80% in the middle?

  • Yes
  • No
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  • 1:57 PM · Jun 5, 2025

Following his news conference, Mr. Trump turned to his own social media platform, Truth Social, and fired off two posts in response to Mr. Musk’s missives.

Donald J. Trump's profile image on Truth Social

Donald J. Trump 

@realDonaldTrump 

Elon was “wearing thin,” I asked him to leave, I took away his EV Mandate that forced everyone to buy Electric Cars that nobody else wanted (that he knew for months I was going to do!), and he just went CRAZY!

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  • Jun 05, 2025, 2:37 PM
Donald J. Trump's profile image on Truth Social

Donald J. Trump 

@realDonaldTrump 

The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!

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  • Jun 05, 2025, 2:37 PM

Mr. Musk quickly punched back.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Such an obvious lie. So sad.

Autism Capital's profile image on X

Autism Capital 

@AutismCapital  · 

Trump fires back at Elon. The online battle begins. 🍿

Times alt text of image in post: A screengrab of a Truth Social post by President Trump.
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  • 2:48 PM · Jun 5, 2025

Twenty minutes later, Mr. Musk claimed there were references to Mr. Trump in unreleased government documents about the late financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, without offering evidence.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Time to drop the really big bomb:

@realDonaldTrump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.

Have a nice day, DJT!

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  • 3:10 PM · Jun 5, 2025
Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Mark this post for the future. The truth will come out.

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  • 3:20 PM · Jun 5, 2025

Mr. Trump responded by defending his domestic policy bill, signing off with his signature catch phrase.

Donald J. Trump's profile image on Truth Social

Donald J. Trump 

@realDonaldTrump 

I don’t mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago. This is one of the Greatest Bills ever presented to Congress. It’s a Record Cut in Expenses, $1.6 Trillion Dollars, and the Biggest Tax Cut ever given. If this Bill doesn’t pass, there will be a 68% Tax Increase, and things far worse than that. I didn’t create this mess, I’m just here to FIX IT. This puts our Country on a Path of Greatness. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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  • Jun 05, 2025, 4:06 PM

Mr. Musk kept up a barrage of attacks, suggesting that his company, SpaceX, would begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft. NASA relies on the spacecraft to carry astronauts, food and other supplies to the International Space Station. (He later indicated that he would hold offon such a move.)

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

In light of the President’s statement about cancellation of my government contracts, @SpaceX will begin decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately

Times alt text of image in post: A screengrab of a Truth Social post by President Trump.
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  • 4:09 PM · Jun 5, 2025

Two minutes later, he endorsed another user’s post suggesting that President Trump be impeached so Vice President JD Vance could succeed him. He then asserted that the president’s tariff policy would sink the country into a recession.

Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

Yes

Ian Miles Cheong's profile image on X

Ian Miles Cheong 

@stillgray  · 

President vs Elon. Who wins? My money's on Elon. 

Trump should be impeached and JD Vance should replace him.

Times alt text of image in post: A screengrab of a series of X posts by Elon Musk.
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  • 4:11 PM · Jun 5, 2025
Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

The Trump tariffs will cause a recession in the second half of this year

Shibetoshi Nakamoto's profile image on X

Shibetoshi Nakamoto 

@BillyM2k  · 

can i finally say that trump’s tariffs are super stupid

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  • 4:26 PM · Jun 5, 2025

As the night grew late, Mr. Musk struck a more conciliatory tone.

Bill Ackman's profile image on X

Bill Ackman 

@BillAckman 

I support @realDonaldTrump and @elonmusk and they should make peace for the benefit of our great country. 

We are much stronger together than apart.

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  • 5:30 PM · Jun 5, 2025
Elon Musk's profile image on X

Elon Musk 

@elonmusk 

You’re not wrong

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  • 9:27 PM · Jun 5, 2025
 

 

 


06/09/25 09:42 AM #18256    

 

Jack Mallory

What do you say, John? Do these vets have the right to an opinion?

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/local/demonstration-at-camp-pendleton-against-potential-la-military-deployment/509-459e0fb3-6bf8-4258-aacf-ca7bf38ad7b7


06/11/25 06:40 AM #18257    

 

Jack Mallory

From the NYT this morning, showing the complexities of legal and ethical behavior for the military employed for dubious political purses: 

Would a military officer disobey a lawful but unethical order — unethical in the sense that it violates the officer’s professional code? We may be on the verge of finding out.

The Trump administration has sent Marines to the Los Angeles area to join the National Guard troops already there. At the moment, the Marines have been deployed to help protect “federal functions and property,” as President Trump’s memorandum specifies — not to engage in broader domestic policing. But that could quickly change.

As a general matter, if the president were to order members of the military to engage in domestic policing, the order would almost certainly be legal. Not only does the president have constitutional authority to protect federal property and functions, but the Insurrection Act of 1807 also sets a very low bar for deploying the military for domestic law enforcement. Furthermore, military ethics dictate that officers must obey lawful orders. All this suggests that officers should comply if they are ordered to engage in domestic policing.

If the president were to order officers to engage in domestic policing that was unnecessary (because it could be adequately handled by local law enforcement), politically partisan or reckless, the order would still almost certainly be legal — but according to the officers’ professional code, it would also be unethical. And military ethics dictate that officers should reject unethical orders.

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Military officers in such a situation would be mired in a contradiction: Their professional duty would compel both compliance and defiance.

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Military professional ethics require nonpartisanship, so that the military does not become a political tool and jeopardize its aim of serving the national interest. Those same ethics also strive to keep the military’s conduct limited to its area of expertise — namely, warfighting. The military’s core competence is defeating enemies in mortal combat; for soldiers, Marines and sailors, a kill is often a victory. The same cannot be said for domestic policing, where the hope is to minimize the use of lethal force.

Because their expertise is limited in this way, the armed forces have “carefully delimited roles in law enforcement,” as explained in an open letter in 2022 signed by a bipartisan group of former secretaries of defense and chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Using active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should be done only “as a matter of last resort,” as Mark Esper, defense secretary late in the first Trump administration, explained at a news conference announcing his opposition to domestically deploying military forces during the civil disturbances in the United States in 2020. (Mr. Trump later fired him.)

What, then, are military officers supposed to do if lawfully ordered to violate their professional ethic? Within the armed services, the Army’s doctrine most comprehensively addresses the problem, and it offers little help. It reads: “We serve honorably — according to the Army ethic — under civilian authority while obeying the laws of the nation and all legal orders; further, we reject and report illegal, unethical or immoral orders or actions.”

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The passage simultaneously commands obedience and disobedience to lawful but unethical orders, leaving officers without a clear answer on how to proceed.

Scholars of civil-military relations have engaged in long-running debate on this issue. Those who side with obedience emphasize the importance of civilian control of the military. Proponents of disobedience respond that the Army ethic protects not just civilian control of the military but also against the civilian misuse of the military. The foremost scholar of civil-military relations, the political scientist Samuel P. Huntington, suggested that the dilemma was irresolvable.

In recent years, when the dilemma threatened to rupture civil-military relations, high-ranking authorities stepped in to defuse the crisis — as when Mr. Esper publicly invoked the military’s ethical principles to oppose domestically deploying the military in 2020. Mr. Esper may have narrowly saved service members from having to decide whether to disobey a direct order.

In his second term Mr. Trump has been more careful to place loyalists in positions of authority. This means that the question of ethical resistance may fall on officers in the field. They may be forced to choose between professional obedience and professional integrity, between their duty to the commander in chief and to the American people. It is a tragic bind — for them, for the military and for American democracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/11/opinion/military-deploy-trump-ethics.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


06/11/25 10:06 PM #18258    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

RIP Brian Wilson. When the gift of your music fills the air, it has always been & forever will be, summer. GOD ONLY KNOWS what we'd be without you.


06/12/25 12:43 PM #18259    

 

Jack Mallory

For those concerned with OUR troops being ordered to confront their fellow Americans acting in accordance with OUR constitution. And for those of us remembering Kent State, 55 years ago, and dreading a repeat of our troops being ordered to open fire on protestors again. I'll be at the combined No Kings and Pride demonstration in Concord, Saturday.

 

https://www.nokings.org 


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And to look at when you want to take a break from worrying about attacks on our Constitution and our fellow human beings:


06/12/25 04:22 PM #18260    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, yes so sad that Brian Wilson died. He was quite the star. 

Jack good for you to be at the No King event and the Pride event too  I'm on my way to Tilghman Island for a plein air painting weekend  otherwise I would be at the No Kings event near our home  I looked and didn't see one in Tilghman Island though it's hard to get away from this intense painting weekend   Glad the No Kings events are widespread throughout the US  there are a lot of us who realize we under under threat from a dangerous autocratic ruler. Good news though, there are power in numbers.   love, Joanie❤️❤️❤️

 


06/13/25 03:03 PM #18261    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

As deadly missiles whistle through airways of the Middle East, it is nice to focus on the loveliest of graceful heron, the escape of painting weekends & the very American freedom to gather in protest 'peacefully'.


06/14/25 10:18 AM #18262    

 

Jack Mallory

Among the protestors in DC yesterday that Bone Spurs tells us "hate our country" (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-warns-protesters-military-parade-met-heavy-force/story?id=122692921).

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-arrest-protesters-u-s-capitol/#


06/14/25 03:19 PM #18263    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Here are a few pix from the No Kings rally in Marseille France this afternoon. About 80 enthusiastic protesters were there, answering many questions from a crowd of all-supportive French passersby. That's me holding the French flag with my friend Michel.


06/14/25 08:23 PM #18264    

 

Jack Mallory

Thanks for the pix from Marseilles, Joan! Love the Taco guy!

NO KINGS! In New Hampshire's capitol. No good crowd estimate yet, but as big as I’ve seen in Concord. Wide range of issues: Pride, immigration, due process, anti-fascism . . . Good humor, wit, lots of smiles. Not a policeman in sight, no right-wing harassment. Cars hooting their horns in support at they drove by. American flags right side up, upside down. Good to see so many folks my age, younger, even older! LOTS of vets!

A lot of fun for a bunch of people that Trump tells us hate our country!  Blow the pix up so you can read the signs.

 



06/14/25 09:49 PM #18265    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

A lovely tribute to our brave & heroic men & women who have served & are serving militarily,  was on grand display tonight on DC's monument grounds. To see the joyful smiles of young people in uniform, marching & waving proudly from tanks, etc., as anthems played & American flags flew, was such a timely shot in the arm, that it seemed well worth the criticism spewed & money spent. Folks & families from all over, waved flags & cheered loudly along the parade route!  Choirs chanted American favorites as fireworks flared! God bless the beautiful idea that binds us all: freedom & justice. And God bless those who are willing to die for it. 


06/15/25 02:58 AM #18266    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

You gotta hand it to all those equally patriotic and unusually well organized citzens of San Fransisco!

 


06/15/25 03:14 AM #18267    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Nori seems to forget that the thousands old veterans who participated in the No Kings rallies across our country yesterday also risked their lives for our country. They're the ones who survived. Do they not count as equally patriotic as those young ones who are in uniform today? if you get teary-eyed about the young soldiers who were ordered to be at the birthday march, maybe you should think about also getting teary for the old soldiers who were also young once and also put their lives on the line. They were not ordered to be in a parade.  


06/15/25 06:47 AM #18268    

 

Jack Mallory

Wonderful pictures of yesterday's events across the country here. A lot of people who love this country, understand and love democracy far better than Trump and those who voted for him, especially those who voted for him twice. And even more especially than those who voted for Nixon, too. But nobody like that on the Forum, I'm sure?
 

https://www.npr.org/sections/national/
 


06/15/25 09:17 AM #18269    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I've no ides how to measure or compare who's more patriotic than who. Nor have I ever wanted to try, Joan. I do know that I was enthralled with the entire DC program (particularly the final hour) & wanted to share it from my standpoint. I do know that for me, it's regretful that on the day of planned celebrations of 250 years of our amazing US Army, many unhappy liberals decided to dodge celebrating with me & make the day about themselves, 


06/15/25 11:31 AM #18270    

 

Jack Mallory

This Army vet and unhappy liberal knows there are far more important things than military birthdays, especially when exploited for political advantage by lowlifes who "don't like people who get captured," who tell us we "hate this country" because our political ideas differ from his. Only someone with a profound ignorance, or dislike, of democracy could hold such an opinion. 

I'd far rather celebrate resistance to autocracy--and Pride, and and due process, and anti-fascism--along with the numerous vets from all branches of service and different wars that I met on No Kings Day. 
 

This from an old student and friend who agrees with me. And she's also a veteran, deployed to Iraq in our first war there where she lost her fiancé and gained a case of PTSD. 

 


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