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01/30/09 07:48 PM #1870    

Tara Wismar (Nickell)

Hi everyone

This morning I received a phone call from a dear friend. We met in the NICU when our children were born. Her daughter is a week older than my son. We have been friends for almost 8 years. She is a wonderful person with a big heart. She is kind beyond words. She is from Romania and her husband was from Syria. It was always interesting to see how they both respected one anothers religion and culture. They have a beautiful daughter together, always happpy and always smiling, today would be no different for little Anna Maria.

On Tuesday, my friends husband was killed. He was working in Novi, and was putting tools away at the end of the day. Two trucks were in a driveway and running to warm up, no one was inside either truck. He was in between the two trucks. The emergency brake on the dump truck closet to the street, disengaged, rolled forward and crushed him to death, he was killed instantly. He was hit from behind and never knew what was happening. He was 45 years old.

Today, I went to the mosque is Dearborn. I wore a scarf and had to remove my shoes to enter the "womans section" On the other side of a divided "seperate" room (the man side) the men were only allowed by the casket. They were supposed to bring the casket by my friend for a final goodbye, but they did not, by the time we realized they were not going to do that, the men had already begun to take our friend to the cemetary, with the casket resting on their shoulders. Women are not allowed to do this nor are they supposed to be by the gravesight but this day, they would do just that. When the women finally arrived they had already opened the casket one last time so the men could throw a hanful of dirt inside and then they placed our friend in the earth. Earth must be touching the body. No flowers were to be laid upon the disturbed dirt. There are no headstones. My friend stood and respected her husbands religion and I admire her for that.

After the burial, the tradition is to go to the home of the person who died. There we had Amer's favorite foods. Some Arabic, some American and there was even some Italian. My friend, Nina, said, please eat for Amer, he loved to have his friends and family at hs home and he also loved to have food on the table for everyone.

Today, was humbling. I only found out this morning as Nina said it was just too hard to make so many phone calls and everything had to come together quickly. They did have to do an autopsy or he would have buried Wednesday.

Today, I experienced something that I never thought I would. I was somewhere that was totally different for me. The sadness is the same as any other religion would be. When I arrived home, my husband needed to get to his store. I was terrified to let him leave. My friend had talked to her husband only ten minutes prior to the accident.

My friend said to me, never sweat the small stuff, always say I love you and never take any thing for granted. I have not stopped kissing and hugging my kids since I have been home. And with that, I will leave you all to go hug and tell your family how much you love them.

01/30/09 10:07 PM #1871    

April Passen (Ochman)

Tara,

I believe I heard about his death in news last week. I remember cringing & thinking what an awful way to die. I am so sorry for your & your friends loss. A loss of a loved one is such an emotional roller coster & everyone does tend to react differently.

I understand the respect for someone's culture & religion, but...when it comes to death, I think to many people are repressed from truly being able to deal with their feelings, little lone have time to even let the loss sink in.

I personally have been through the loss of both parents, the first, my mother who I was secondary person to helping "sort" out the business side of death, then my father who I was the sole person to take care of business. Now both my parents wishes were to have no funeral & straight to cremation, these wishes were respected & that still constituted business, you have to pick the urn, they show you other options to have keepsakes of the ashes...during this time you still have even figured out this is for real yet.

Then there's the calling...you gotta call the insurance companies, doctors (if your elder) or employers (if their younger) to tie up loss ends...social security office...etc...

Then you also have to try to think of everyone who might want to attend the funeral, deal with everyone's elses emotions...then there's the one who found out from someone else that you didn't get to yet who's feeling are hurt...all these people searching for what to say to the "Surviver" usually repeated what someone else has said, the reference to not suffering, the their in a better place, it will get easier...& all the suriver is doing is thinking...WTF...trying not to think poor me, but poor me is all that is eating the person up inside...

which then may turn to turn to denial, or anger...they say there are 5 or 7 stages of grief...
The 7 stages if you look at that one is: 1Shock 2Denial 3Anger 4Bargining 5Guilt 6Depression then 7Acceptance
The Five Stage explaination is: 1Denial 2Anger 3Sadness 4Reorganizing 5letting go.

I personal never have accepted or let go, Mom died in 4/05 & Dad 6/97. Shock overtook me with sadness the first 48 hours, but I also had to organize during this time. Then denial came & I still revisit that one often. After the first week, sadness went away because of the denial, & anger was present forever. Then sadness kicks my ass again, & again every now & then. I still struggle between denial, anger & sadness. And if a day passes where I didn't think about them, when I realize it, the anger starts all over again.

I have found the only way I really have any acceptance is, when I am around someone else who "just lost", then I reflect to how everyone reacted, or didn't know how to react. This is my line of those who recented lost..."Ok now I know everyone has the same things they repeat, no suffering, better place, it will get easier...BULLSHIT, who wants to get over a loss. It is ok to be mad, to think what about me. I know you have to keep a good face on for everyone does mean well, but call me & bitch at, to me...I know it sucks, so be sad, be mad & don't get over it!"

Now I know this sounds really bitter, but this is the way I survive my loss. I give your friend big kudos on keeping her respect for his religious beliefs in death. But I tell you girl...she is probably got some pent up anger over it as well! Be that friend to her that will let her be what she needs to be. So many people feel uncomfortable around someone when they have their emotions pouring out...that is so important to have someone to just let loose on!

Just my opinion...I maybe wrong...See I started off sad, then angry, now acceptance...ROFL But seriously...I don't think anyone should ever get over death, or that it gets easier...the reality is...we deal better & learn how to function without, but the pain never fades!

01/31/09 09:46 AM #1872    

Tara Wismar (Nickell)

April,

That all sounds about right. I think my friend does have some regrets only because she is a religious perdona nd she needed more time to try to explain to her daughter, but she truly is a remarkable woman, honestly. One thing that I am grateful for with having to be in the NICU (other than a healthy baby, of course) was getting to meet her and become friends. I am sure her strengths, family, friends and her religion will get her through this. One of the things in her culture after the death of a spouse, is to cook, she said she will have a friend or family member over each day (for a certain amount of time following the death) and together they make favorite meals.

I know exactly what you mean by all the emotions. Tomorrow will be 5 years that our daughter died. We knew this was going to happen before she was born, we had to make arrangements for her while I was still pregnant with her. Just the total opposite of what most pregnant women do when they are expecting their baby. This is always a somber day for us, we try for it not to be, but it just brings emotions rushing back. You just deal the best way you know how and that is how we live each day. Tomorrow is never promised.


01/31/09 09:48 AM #1873    

Tracey Ulrich (Dawson)

I didn't have those feelings when my dad died. Granted, I wasn't in the country at the time so I wasn't there to see most of his illness or witness his death.

I still miss him sometimes because I can't touch him. You know how important touch is to me. But I do feel him around me sometimes in a warm, calming sensation kind of way. I don't fear death for me or anyone else so perhaps that is why I didn't feel the seven steps of grief or perhaps I did but transitioned through them very quickly.

I don't believe in a hap-hazard life existance. I believe that everything we experience while on earth is supposed to happen so we can learn and grow in spirit from those experiences. Nothing that happens to us is beyond our ability to deal with. I also believe that our exit or death from our human bodies is predetermined before our birth so there is nothing to do but to accept it. Life is for the living and living is forever. Whether that be in a human body or in some other form of energy.

My sincerest condolences for your friend Tara, and for you.

01/31/09 09:24 PM #1874    

Robert Hooker

I was going to give an update on the back, but would feel like a jerk talking about 'me' after reading the past few messages. I need to get to bed.

Good night, friends.

02/01/09 08:07 AM #1875    

Tracey Ulrich (Dawson)

I want to hear about your back. How did it go? I was going to ask earlier but didn't want to seem too forward and pushy. I figured you would tell us if and when you wanted to.

Is the issue nerve root (at the vertebra) or peripherial?

02/01/09 12:50 PM #1876    

Shannon Krych (Hofer)

Tara- So sorry to hear about your friend. There are no words that will ever be enough. I believe everyone's journey is their own. I lost both of my parents just as April has but I can tell you, our walks through the journey were quite different. As they should be. No one can ever truly understand your friends journey but know that she will not be the same when she comes out the other side. That is the one thing we all have in common when death strikes your family. You have to find your new normal. Just be with her as she searches for hers...

02/01/09 01:15 PM #1877    

Tara Wismar (Nickell)

Thank you all for your kind words.

Robert, so how is your back, heard you are getting or did get a lot of snow, safe to say, you will not be the one shoveling it!

02/01/09 03:53 PM #1878    

April Passen (Ochman)

Robert...Not only do we definately need an update! But some of your comic relief too. Loosen up the intensive pass posts! We care about you...need to know how you are doing?

02/01/09 03:55 PM #1879    

April Passen (Ochman)

I think here in the metro area in MI, that we hit over 50 inches this winter! We were like at 48 on Wenesday, & we've had flurries since...isn't it sad 2 inches now is considered as flurries.

02/02/09 05:47 PM #1880    

Cara Onkalo (Fitzpatrick)

Tracey, I found Kathy Webb on Facebook! She's Kathy Ward now. She seems to be doing great and has 2 really cute kids. She's still in MI. You should join. A bunch of us are on there! You too Robert!

02/02/09 06:45 PM #1881    

Tracey Ulrich (Dawson)

That's great! Are you able to talk to her? I'll have to check it out.

02/02/09 07:01 PM #1882    

Cara Onkalo (Fitzpatrick)

A little bit - I just friended her. You have to check it out! It was hilarious. I sent her this message asking her if this is the Kathy that I used to yell back and forth across the fence in our back yards when were little, and she said yes, it was really her! April and Shannon are on there too. If you friend me, you can easily friend them from my list. I won't be back online until morning though...no internet at home right now. I have to go, I'm dying to get out of work!

02/02/09 07:37 PM #1883    

April Passen (Ochman)

Ok I am going to butcher some of these...Debbie Goike, Kevin Miller, Troy Grantham, Terri Marlelis, Steve Fry, Sue Parrot....& many many more are on facebook. It seems to be the new hang out for us mid-life crisisers...LOL

02/02/09 07:40 PM #1884    

April Passen (Ochman)

Other honorable mentions...Tara Wismar, Michele Majewski, Chris Campbell, Tom Nason...

02/03/09 11:45 AM #1885    

Cara Onkalo (Fitzpatrick)

Gwen too...and Matt Hubert, Brian Radtke, Jason Leveque...probably a lot more too. That is too cool that everyone is on there!

02/03/09 04:02 PM #1886    

Shannon Krych (Hofer)

Took me a bit to get the hang of that Facebook stuff... Myspace is easier. I fell out laughing when a got a notice that said I got "Poked". Thought that would be something I would know before they did... :)

02/03/09 04:17 PM #1887    

April Passen (Ochman)

Shannon, I definately agree myspace is easier! But many more people available on facebook. Even the pokes, the drinks, the little cute games...better over at myspace. But I have definately been on facebook much more due to more people over there. I will say I like the way you can IM over on facebook is much easier then myspace.

02/04/09 02:15 PM #1888    

April Passen (Ochman)

Robert...Tracey...come to the darkside...join facebook!
Robert we are still so waiting for an update on how you are doing?

02/05/09 01:01 PM #1889    

Cara Onkalo (Fitzpatrick)

Hey, do you guys know about hulu.com? Tons of free tv episodes and movies. I have Lost in Space playing on my computer at work! So cool. I think Fantasy Island, or Johnny Sokko, will be up next.

02/05/09 02:24 PM #1890    

Dan Wallace

Do kids still have to collect soup lables. We collected a sh*tload and never got new playground equipment. They wouldn't even fix the liability-go-round.

I do remember our class getting lunch from Mc Donald's for collecting the most one year.

02/05/09 02:33 PM #1891    

April Passen (Ochman)

Dan they got the playground equipment after we left. Don't ya remember the wood stuff? Yes the schools still collect campbells labels. Not only playground stuff from it, but computers...things that help the school.

Was the year you remember 4th grade, Ms. Bicknese? I remember winning that year. My mom hated me, I took off all the labels before the were eaten, so it was lets grap a can & guess what it is...LOL

02/05/09 03:03 PM #1892    

Shannon Krych (Hofer)

I did that too April. Did not go over so well at my house... LOL

02/06/09 08:06 AM #1893    

Tracey Ulrich (Dawson)

wow, new format.

02/06/09 12:32 PM #1894    

Tara Wismar (Nickell)

O.K. April,

I have tried the cinnamon sticks and moth balls and this one cat is relentless! I just had to give both of my dogs baths because they went out and found a lovely spray spot! I do know who has one of the cats and I already called animal control. The lady just started letting her cat out the last few weeks. A few other neighbors have been talking about the cat spray, too. So, now I am not the only one. So, now that I have vented, thanks!

Robert, how is your back? Don't make me find you up in White Cloud. We are headed there in a few weeks.

I have not called my friend as I think giving her a little time is best right now. That is how I felt at first. Everyone is different. My other friend from the NICU called me this morning, wondering if I called her yet? So, she is stopping by there later this afternoon.

I have been busy finding swimsuits from last year and looking for new ones. A couple times each winter we take the kids (my sisters, too) the the Splash Universe in Dundee. They have a lot of fun there. We get the family fun suite, it is the biggest room they have and the kids do pretty well in it. I was also able to grab a Splash Universe gift card off Craigslist that was worth $250 and I only paid $59.00! So that was pretty cool and since the hotel was offering BOGO nights. Only problem was they don't offer that special on the big rooms, so since we have been there before they gave us 40% off our room! So this trip is only costing us about $40, with the discounts and gift card! Last year we paid over $400 for one night! Has anyone ever been there, it is a nice family attraction and the rooms are very clean and there are a lot of lifeguards to keep older children in line! Well, now that I have rambled for the week, I am off to the grocery store!

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