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11/19/08 12:35 PM #99    

 

Suzanne Loscalzo (Ernst)

Well Jacob, that is the most detailed egg cream recipe I've seen yet...Don't worry about being anal...I'm in love with/married to an...well...a detail-oriented guy....

Wish I was there when you were being an asshole to Loretta, so I could be laughing all the harder about it right now....
Long live the New York Eggcream!!

11/19/08 12:50 PM #100    

 

Suzanne Loscalzo (Ernst)

...not sure, but believe "sweet Loretta" comes in at the end of "Get Back",,,,I think McCartney says it at the end of the song...('get back, sweet Loretta')??....
ok, yep,,,I just played the tape...McCartney says something like "get back home, Loretta. Your momma's waiting for you in her high heel shoes and low neck sweater..."
...love those Beatles....

11/19/08 01:42 PM #101    

Loretta Zullo (McKeown)

Again, that's why I enjoy my HS classmates so much. We native New Yorkers get passionate about our egg cremes. Don't you just hate it when a foreigner (non-New Yorker) asks where the egg is?

Jakes recipe sounds just like heaven to me. And Jake, you are forgiven. Anyone who can make a perfect egg creme like that deserves a pardon.


11/20/08 02:42 PM #102    

Sabina Musci

Thanks to all of you for answering the question, "How do you make a chocolate egg cream?" But now, how do you make a vanilla egg cream? Everyone had their preference. You know, like some people liked a cherry rickey, some liked a lime rickey.

11/20/08 10:18 PM #103    

Charles Tardalo

Jake
Wasn't there a Mobil station at the end of your block?

11/21/08 12:22 AM #104    

Elyse Scerbo

Hi Sabina - you use vanilla syrup instead of chocholate syrup. I always liked vanilla best.

11/21/08 10:28 AM #105    

Joanne Dickstein (Deutch)

The beverage mix that I sold across the country was used to make a Vanilla egg cream although it used 7-up or sprite It was very popular in NYC but not so in other parts of the country. So I see Sue is talking about cookies... she has only one favorite, can anyone guess what it is??? Let's see who can get it right.

11/21/08 10:31 AM #106    

Joanne Dickstein (Deutch)

Sorry, she posted it.. my favorite cookie is choc chip, or snickerdoodles. Shortbread too but boy that cookie is loaded with calories. I once ate a whole box of shortbread cookies driving home from Boston in the middle of the night, to stay awake.

11/21/08 12:01 PM #107    

 

Cristine Boehringer

Okay! Anyone interested in the Orginal Recipe for Black and White Cookies or Half Moons? Remember those cake-like cookies with the half white icing and half chocolate icing on top? They sell them here in the Carolinas but they are expensive and hard to find! My Aunt Marie knew a Brooklyn Baker and he gave her the recipe and she gave it to me! I used it for all The Bake Sales at my kids Schools. When I taught I made one for each one of the children in my class with their names on them! Bribery got their work done so we could go out to play! LOL
Thanks for the shares of the Eggcremes! I think I will try them this holiday season! Smiles!
I will share the recipe if anyone wants the Cookie rEcipe. IT is totally easy to make too and you can ice them with any topping too!
Happy Turkey day to you all! Cris

11/21/08 01:42 PM #108    

Joanne Dickstein (Deutch)

My husband loves Black and Whites, I buy them when I'm in Florida or NYC and bring them back to him, please if you have the recipe, post it here,sounds like I'll be baking them soon.

11/21/08 05:49 PM #109    

William Salmansohn

I almost "lost my lunch" after laughing so hard from Jacob Fishman's description on how to make an egg cream.....truly a ruthless dude. Thank you Jake...


11/22/08 10:19 PM #110    

 

Suzanne Loscalzo (Ernst)

I almost bought a box of Mallomars the other day until I saw the price...
Fresh out-of-the oven Toll House chocolate chip cookies, home made orange marmalade cookies, and store bought Black and Whites, Oreos...yum, yum, yum,...my favorites...and Cris I would like to have that black and white recipe. i'm hoping I can make it taste decently with soy milk or soy butter, if butter or milk are ingredients.


11/23/08 01:52 PM #111    

 

Susan Baum (Schloss)

Suzanne-I only have Mallomars in my apartment for one week a year--my birthday week! My husband buys about 6 boxes, along with a gallon of milk. Otherwise, I have no control over myself when it comes to eating them!

And for that week, it is every person for themselves--I am ashamed to admit that I HIDE the boxes of Mallomars from my husband and 14 year old daughter, so that they won't get to them first!(Put a box in the vegetable bin, etc., so they won't see them when they open the fridge!).

11/25/08 07:36 AM #112    

 

Susan Baum (Schloss)

Bruce--you are the winner! I saw it yesterday on Paula's Hone Cooking, and it looked interesting!

Fobidden Planet is one of my favorite sci-fi movies, and when I am teaching some interesting thing to my students using Photoshop & Illustrator, I tell them they are learning the secrets of the Krell!

11/25/08 10:59 AM #113    

Jacob Fishman

Argo Theter-1960-SPARTACUS (with Kirk Douglas, Tony Curtis and a host of others!)

Sitting in the balcony with my brothers. . .

The great scene after the giant final battle. . . the place is drop dead quiet; the emotion of the final battle is overwhelming.

THEN:

The Roman General says to the thousands of prisoners sitting in chains something like "If Spartacus will identify himself, I will let the rest of you live and go back to your slaveowners".

Kirk (SPARTACUS) attempts to stand up and one of his cohorts knocks him down and instead jumps up and shouts I'M SPARTACUS!!!"

and another guy jumps up and screams "I'M SPARTACUS ! ! !"

then a third guy jumps up and screams "I'M SPARTACUS ! ! !"

then my brother Bernie jumps up and screams "I'M SPARTACUS ! ! !"

the audience went nuts jumping and screaming, and me and my brothers got thrown out.

It was one more memorable day in the Fishman family of lunatics.


A footnote on the above: there was a comedian who used to mimic actors as part of his act. I can't think of his name but he played one of the bad guys on Batman. His funniest line was about Kirk Douglas. He would make his face look like Kirk, stick out his jaw, and scream in a great mimic of Kirk's voice- "I'm gonna get my teeth fixed!!" Who is that comic?

And about cookies-although I would never kick a black and white cookie out of bed, how can you not say that Chinese Cookies, with the delicious glob of choclate icing in the middle, is the best?

Another thing about cookies. I learned as a kid, ask the baker to make a deal on the broken ccokies. This worked/works everywhere. They couldn't/wouldn't/cant't/won't sell them as regular stock, but they always had/have them. So when asked, on most occassions you received/will receive a giant bag of assorted stuff very cheap. Eat what you want, throw the rest (e.g., oatmeal cookies, I hate oatmeal cookies) at a passing car or bus. Good eating.

Anyway, old habits die hard. I still do this. My wife and kids will not go into a bakery with me because of this. They say I embarass them-but what do they know. Matter of fact, they say most everything I do embarasses them-but again, what do they know.

Anyway, last month I was in Cohen's Bakery in Ellenville, NY (the world famous Cohen's bakery known to anyone who frequented that part of NY state and ate raisin bread, pumpernickel bread, Napoleons, and other assorted fresh baked goods over the years). I asked for broken cookies and was told that other people do the same and "feed the broken cookies to their horses". That sounds like horseshit to me. Those people eat the broken cookies themselves. They are moving in on my gig.

Another tip in the bakery. Ask for "day old" stuff. Its much cheaper. It sits at home for days before it is eaten, so who cares if it sits at the bakery "one" day before it is taken home to sit at home for a few more days. Again, my family wants to disown me for this practice. However, they have not made any serious moves in that direction.



Life is so so good, especially when I have a bag of fresh bakery bought broken cookies in my hand and a container of hot coffee, and I find a piece of a chinese cookie with choclate icing on it in the bag. I do not throw away any piece of black and white cookie I find in the bag.


A tip for the guys on a rainy day when your home alone and dont want to get drunk, or when you are seeking a "budget lunch". A box of choclate Enetennemans donuts, purchased from the day old store (usually less than a buck), and a quart of cold whole milk. After you have had your fill, throw the rest away so you dont get grief for eating such shit. Very tasty! ! ! I think I got this recipe from Good Housekeeping magazine.

That's enough for now. Why do I write this norishkite?
Its time to get a life.

Jack Fishman

11/25/08 11:22 AM #114    

Sabina Musci

Jack - Frank Gorshen (I think that's how you spell it)

11/25/08 10:21 PM #115    

Nancy Jacob (Belluscio)

I lived on the other side of town and Tudor Bakery was our bakery. They had the best cream filled crumb cake. I also make my own black and white cookies, Chris, and would love to compare recipes.
Haven't seen those Chinese cookies with the chocolate center for years. Where can you get them? This sounds like the next culinary venture when in LI. Mallomars never turned me on. My mom was always baking cookies so I guess I liked hers better. In the late 90s when my parents moved to PA, she would still bake every Sat and freeze the cookies. Every cookie was exactly the same size. She would put them in perfect stack inside a baggie and label each bag with Linda, Nancy or a grandchild's name so that when we visited, we would each get our own stash!
I don't recall egg creams as a kid, but I have tried the posted recipes. I even found the suggested chocolate syrup in this small Adirondack town, but guess where. Not where the rest of the chocolate syrups are, but next to the matzah!(sp?) If I come to the next reunion 20 lbs heavier, it's all your fault for getting me hooked on egg creams!
I remember in German class that Herr Kohler called on me to answer the question, "How many times do you go to the movies in a year?" I replied, "None." (All of this in German, of course.) He thought I hadn't understood his question and repeated it again. After the 3rd time, I got pissed off and yelled, "I never went to the movies!"(In English). So I have no movie stories to share.
Many times I look at my childhood and think I was deprived, but I guess my parents just didn't have the means. If I wanted to do something or get something, I had to babysit to earn the money myself.
We had our first significant snow fall today-a very wet and heavy snow which took me 3 1/2 hrs to remove even with the tractor to do the biggest part. There is a reason many of us moved to FL and CA! On the other side of the coin, Gore opens on Fri so pretty soon I'll be on the slopes!
I hope you all have a very good Thanksgiving. Peace.

11/27/08 06:08 PM #116    

Mitchell Bohn

Hey Happy Thanksgiving to everyone out there in Elmontland. I hope the entire holiday season goes smoothly for everyone and you are surrounded by those who love you.
I had a thought and wondered how many of us are making a living or are still interested in the things that fascinated us in high school. Life will always take its twists and turns, but who among us is still hanging on to our early interests and values. Any ideas...? Mitch Bohn

11/28/08 09:46 PM #117    

Susan Fogel (Morris)



Hi Roy- Ebinger's Blackout cake was the best !!!
A friend sent me this link to the recipe.
I haven't tried it yet, but I will.......

http://www.kitchenlink.com/cookbooks/1999/0609604201_2.html


You'll find the following info at this site, too:
New Yorkers are famously argumentative, and there's nothing they like better than an argument about something that doesn't exist-that way, no tiresome facts can interfere with the fun of arguing. One of Brooklyn's longest-running arguments (after "Who makes the best pizza, Patsy's or Totonno's?" and "Can you make a real egg cream without Fox's U-bet choco- late syrup?") is about Ebinger's Blackout Cake. Can mere mortals make Blackout Cake, especially without the signature blue box?

Ebinger's was a chain of bakeries in Brooklyn renowned for the purity of its ingredients, the sparkling cleanliness of its stores, and the deep chocolatiness of this cake. Even though the last Ebinger's finally closed in 1972, some devotees kept Blackout Cakes in their freezers for years afterward. Even though we didn't have access to one of these "fossils" from another era, this recipe has been extensively tested on Ebinger's fans, especially our friends Karen and Jeff, who grew up in Brooklyn. They're a tough crowd, but they tell us we've finally got it right. The custard filling is finally the perfect deep, velvety, very, very dark brown.

You can tell this is a commercial baking recipe by the vegetable shortening, which is often combined with butter to keep costs down and quality high. It's not the same as real butter, but it belongs in this recipe for the light crumb it creates. Blackout Cake is best made all in one shot, and served the same day it is made.

11/30/08 12:30 PM #118    

Frances Milstein (Poris)

How is it that I have never heard of this blackout cake????And I call myself a chocoholic> Humph. Sally's was my favorite bakery & they had the best cookies. We called them shiva cookies because they were the kind of cookies people brought to the house when someone died. They were buttery sandwich cookies filled with raspberry jam & dipped at one end in chocolate. I have been searching for that recipe for years but have been unable to locate it. Can anyone help me out here? I love to bake & for TG every year I make stacks of rugelach. It's a labor intensive recipe but worth it. If anyone wants the recipe, let me know. Does anyone remember the candy store we called Laura's on Dutch B'dwy?
Susan, we too cannot keep Mallomars in the house for obvious reasons.

11/30/08 01:07 PM #119    

 

Susan Baum (Schloss)

Yes, Fran, I remember Laura's Candy Store. I think that was the closest one to where I lived.

I always thought of Ebinger's Blackout Cake as "company cake" because someone would bring one if my parents had a dinner party. Believe me, it was the most chocolatey, rich, decadent cake in the history of chocolatey, rich, decadent cakes! Sorry you never experienced one, but it was so rich that I could only eat a tiny slice with a lot of milk.


11/30/08 01:12 PM #120    

 

Susan Baum (Schloss)

Fran-my sister Sheila and I once made ruggelach. Talk about labor-intensive! We worked VERY hard, for hours, and then we baked them and they were horrible! We looked at each other after we tasted them, and couldn't believe such hard work and good intentions created something so awful! We threw them out right away and from then on we BOUGHT them!

11/30/08 07:07 PM #121    

Roy Rosenberg

Susan - Thanks for the Ebinger's Chocolate Blackout Cake recipe. Since I'm not a cake master (or for that matter, even a cake maker), I'm too depressed to look at it. No matter what I tried or how hard I prayed, I'm sure mine wouldn't resemble that masterpiece from my past. In the description you put up, it mentioned "a custard filling". As a chocolaholic (and someone who's never been fond of custard), I hope you're not going to ruin my entire childhood by telling me the entire thing was not 100% dark smooth delicious tastes sent down from the heavens?

Mitch - I can't say that I'm really doing anything in my life's work that started in high school. But while reading what you wrote, I started to get the weirdest flashbacks like Joel Silver's little 2 seat sports car he used to drive around in to pick up girls AND smoking pot the first time ever with Jeff Rosenberg; running into George Cohan who had no idea why we were laughing so much AND going to Nathan's in Oceanside every Friday night during basketball season to pick up girls (I guess I never developed much of an expertise in that) and to find out how the other schools did AND going to AZA parties (does anyone else remember AZA?) and the list goes on. As the song says, "Those were the days my friends. We thought they'd never end..."

If you've been following the news over the past few days, you heard about a Wal-mart employee on Long Island who got trampled to death when opening the doors for early morning shoppers on Black Friday. The Wal-mart is located at our Green Acres. Boy, have times changed.

So when and where are our first regional reunions next Spring/Summer?

11/30/08 10:15 PM #122    

Susan Fogel (Morris)

Roy- Not to worry-
I think they describe the filling on the Blackout Cake as a custard
because of the texture...not the ingredients......
which are mostly cocoa, sugar, butter....no eggs.
RIch, creamy chocolate frosting is how I would have described it.
Now I have to stop thinking about Blackout Cake before I start
spending countless hours trying to replicate something that may be best served in the memory !








12/01/08 09:59 PM #123    

Joanne Dickstein (Deutch)

Laura's Candy Store was near Dutch B'way. Laura had painted eyebrows and black teased hair. The comics were up front and my cousin Noah use to steal them. They had a glass jar up front during easter with marshmellow peeps in it, all handmade. My gold bike was stolen in front of Fran's house on Dutch B'way when I was in 6th grade and I saw a hood with it in front of Laura's store. I said nothing, too scared!

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