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10/07/08 01:25 PM #616    

 

Jolee Clarke (Preston)

Trina~
The memorial service has been cancelled. Too many things going on right now that just weren't going to allow us to shine the positive light on the entire thing. Sean and his lovely wife Tracey are having a momento made that we will give out the night of the game. The hoodies and CD's from the reunion will be there as well. We are awaiting final numbers on the hoodies...and then we can let everyone know how much they are and get them at the game. Or for those who can't come to the game, we can take care of that too.

Is anyone going to the "Dogtoberfest" this weekend? It just sounds so damn fun and Tessie is the first dog that I have ever had who would not try and eat people's hands off if they tried to pet her. I'm thinking about going...let me know if anyone may go....

Home from clinicals with the students...they are doing so good. I love seeing these students just jump in and try to learn so much. They are awesome.


10/07/08 01:53 PM #617    

Carla Boyd (McCabe)

Kelly...we were late for Mason's soccer game in Blue Ridge, before we headed out to the lake. I am anxious for soccer to be over...sick of hurrying to games for 2 kids.

10/07/08 04:03 PM #618    

Melissa Weaver (Lynskey)

FYI - for all you New Kids on the Block fans...they are on the Rachael Ray show today. :-)

10/07/08 04:55 PM #619    

Kelly Houston

Oh...and Stefanie. Oakridge Boys....nope. This was a band of boys but not of the oakridge persuasion.

Shannon- call me tonight when you're settled in.

10/07/08 06:27 PM #620    

Kelly Houston

I need to get something off my chest, and I know you are all good listeners so here goes. I don't expect anyone to feel like they need to give feedback...I just need to vent.

As some of you know, I am currently working at a nursing home/ rehabilitation center. A lot of our patients check in, graduate from therapy, and then return home. Depending on the diagnosis, progress, and prognosis, some of these peeps don't check out. They either die or become long-term care residents of the facility or go to an Assisted Living Facility.

It's great when I have patients that have had knee or hip replacements, or strokes or car accidents or the like that are "rehabable" and I can get them home in a few weeks or months. It sucks when they have to give up their home, or worse, their life. Jolee can relate to this 100%. It's tough when we, as health care practioners, realize that progress won't be made and that it's the end of life for our patients. It's even tougher when our patients (and/ or families) don't accept it, or are unrealistic about their future, or are simply unaware that they are in the dying process. Some of my patients are younger than we are, and some are 100. It varies, but I love them all the same.

Okay...here's my yesterday story that I was referring to earlier. I got a notice that I needed to evaluate a new patient just discharged from the hospital to address occupational therapy needs. I read his chart thoroughly and discovered that my offerings would be very limited because he is terminally ill with colon cancer that has invaded his entire body, with exception of his brain. This sweet fella was just driving and mowing grass 2 weeks ago, and went to the emergency room thinking he had a bowel obstruction. Well, upon surgical inspection, it was discovered that his old cancer had come back in full-force fashion and that no further treatment will help him (chemo or radiation). They performed an ileostomy on him (similar to a colostomy) and sent him to the "rehab center" for comfort measures. The hospital doctors indicated in his chart that his prognosis is very poor and that he is "terminally ill with an expected rapid downward spiral with only a week or two of life left at maximum."

I'm sure a few of you are wondering what the heck therapy can do with a dying person. Well, we don't do exercises and get people up walking and that sort of thing, but there are a few interventions that we can do to help with the dying process including educating staff on positioning needs, feeding and avoiding choking on food, oxygen management, toileting with dignity, range of motion to alleviate pain, etc. Most of it is caregiver education and support.

Well, I met "Mr. Smith" yesterday afternoon after reading his chart, and he was such a sweet jovial man and looked just like Jonathan Winters, if any of you remember him (actor). He was a little undone with having a colostomy bag and a catheter and IV lines and other forms of "tetherment" so I explained the function of each and helped him to be comfortable with them (as much as is possible). We had lots of small talk, and I wondered to myself why he was so engaged in lengthy conversation with me. I mean...if I had a week left to live, I would not want to spend it chit-chatting idly with a strange woman in a rehab center.

So, I asked Mr. Smith about his family. He said his wife had just rescheduled her gall bladder surgery for a week or two from now. I asked him why she did so, and he went on to explain that she's been frantic with him in the hospital and was waiting for him to "come home" before she had her surgery. Apparently, her surgery is not urgent but it is necessary in the near future. I questioned the timing of her rescheduling and, again, he said it was perfect timing because he would be "coming home in the next week or two." Okay...I was getting the drift that "coming home" meant "going to heaven" and I was still bewildered on the timing because...who knows the exact date of "coming home" but God, ya know?! I mean...does the surgery scheduler have connections we aren't privy to, or what?

Upon further discussion with Mr. Smith, I discovered that he (and his entire family) is under the impression that he has 2-3 months to live. "Coming home" meant going back to Hot Springs to his house to stay with hospice in the home with him and his wife.

Very long story short...he has not been told that this will not happen. His family is making arrangements for him to come home in the next couple of weeks so they can be with him during his last days. His last days are most likely coming very, very soon. I'm so upset that his hospital doctors were not straightforward and honest about this.

Anyway. Mr. Smith left today to go to another facility closer to his home and family, thank God. I hope and pray that someone can clue them all in on what's going to happen very shortly. I thought about him all night last night. I am not in a position to "break news" like that, but it really ticks me off when this sort of thing happens and I've seen it happen more times than I care to report.

Jolee...what's your take on this from your viewpoint? Morals and ethics, ya know the drill.

Take care everyone.

Stefanie- what's your next guess on my first concert? I need to read your voice.

10/07/08 07:22 PM #621    

 

Jolee Clarke (Preston)

Kelly,

Here is my take on it and unfortunately I have 8 years of dealing with this on a daily basis...what I have learned is that the docs DO tell the pts often "this is what we are looking at." The docs don't have a crystal ball and itis the people that they tell they have 2-3 weeks that are still here years later. What I tend to think is that this family is just not ready to let go. They may never get there and may be highly offended if you say anything otherwise. Some people are ready to talk abouit this and some aren't...all we can do is begin with open ended statements and see what they know and how they feel about it all. Tough, isn't it Kelly? What these people teach me is its okay to talk about death and dying. It doesn't have to be a scary, tragic thing. Maybe our generation could start this..

Sorry you had a tough time with this...it does show you have a heart...honestly.

10/07/08 07:41 PM #622    

Kelly Houston

Jolee- since his family wasn't there for me to get more insight and info, I wondered if he was just doing the whole denial thing. He was completely oriented, though, and seemed to fully believe that he had more time than his doctors indicated. I can read denial pretty accurately, so I was feeling a little weirded out that family members weren't around the whole day that he was there all alone with this yucky prognosis. A therapist from his hometown hospital even stopped by to see if he was a "good rehab candidate" after speaking with his family in Hot Springs. I briefed her and she got the picture and didn't seem interested in transferring him because of his prognosis. Very weird.

He was just all talk about getting his affairs in order over the coming months so that his wife would be okay and so forth. Didn't seem at all like he even had a clue that it was coming sooner. I know, like you and our docs, that you can't predict a date, but I've seen his op-report and other diagnostics and know that...well...it's probably sooner than later. It's one of "those."

I love my job. I hate my job. I love my job. I hate my job. I love people. I love people. I love people. Amen.


10/07/08 08:17 PM #623    

 

Shannon Davis (Nuckolls)

Trying to guess Kelly H's first concert is harder than when the Millers daughter (later Queen) had to guess the name of Rumpelstiltskin!!

Kelly-Yes, I worked yesterday & today in 7th grade Social Studies. Just checked in here. Call you in a minute.

Jolee & Stefanie-My dad & stepmother live in Myrtle Beach & they have a Harley. They enjoy riding & being in the local chapter. My dad is furious that MB is trying to do away with Bike Week. The local government will raise their taxes instead.

Ya'll don't know how much I am looking forward to next weekend & seeing you all again! (And people who weren't at the evening reunion like you Stefanie and Greg T)

10/07/08 08:18 PM #624    

Kelly Houston

Thanks a bunch Jolee. I knew you would know how to set my head straight. Muah!

10/07/08 09:06 PM #625    

 

Jolee Clarke (Preston)

So Kelly, to continue this on a little bit...how would you approach this patient with what is bothering you? How could you ask him if he knows his current life status and that which is to come? What do YOU want out of the conversation? Is it that YOU need validation for his impending death? What do you think HE should get out of this conversation? Maybe he doesn't know....honestly...maybe he doesn't. Is hospice consulted? If they are...they will lay it out...they will discuss end of life issues.

One of my last projects at Duke was creating a "booklet" for patients and families on end of life issues...things people don't "discuss" because they are uncomfortable. I have spent many hours after working 12 hours on the floor or teaching all day going to patient's homes to help them and their families through their journey at the end of life. I don't know why, but this is my calling. To bring knowledge, strength, and comfort not only to the patients, but to the families who are losing a loved one. Some are still in denial until they take the last breath...some patients and families discuss their death openly...even plan their funeral...I personally, have written my own obituary, planned my funeral, and have filled out my medical power of attorney and living will. Yes, I am only 38...but some of my favorite patients have been less than 30...so we never know..

Hang in Kelly, you have a huge heart....and I love ya for it!

10/07/08 11:08 PM #626    

Greg Terry

Jolee and Kelly and anyone working in the medical field we thank you. You guys are so awesome. I could never do your job.

My grandmother passed away a year ago and I was so impressed with the people at Richfield. The day she passed away the people there were so caring and very helpful to my moter who took it hard. Even though we knew for several years it was a matter of time it's still not easy to deal with the passing of a loved one.

Kelly you can take comfort that no matter how many days that man has left he probably really appreciated talking to you like a regular person instead of someone who is terminally ill.

Shannon - We can't wait to see you guys too. It will be a blast. We decided to run over to Southpoint in Durham Saturday to buy my child some more school clothes. I looked for you but I didn't see you. :-)

As for Kelly's first concert, I'm going to guess REO Speedwagon. I can just see Kelly now throwing shoestrings on stage jamming to tunes like...

You should've seen by the look in my eyes, baby
There was somethin missin
You should've known by the tone of my voice, maybe
But you didn't listen
You played dead
But you never bled
Instead you lay still in the grass
All coiled up and hissin
And though I know all about those men
Still I don't remember
Cause it was us baby, way before then
And we're still together
And I meant, every word I said
When I said that I love you I meant
That I love you forever

And I'm gonna keep on lovin you
Cause it's the only thing I wanna do
I don't wanna sleep
I just wanna keep on lovin you

And I meant every word I said
When I said that I love you I meant
That I love you forever

And I'm gonna keep on lovin you
Cause it's the only thing I wanna do
I don't wanna sleep
I just wanna keep on lovin you

10/07/08 11:58 PM #627    

Stefanie Lugar

Jolee- That hotel is very close to my dads place. You wouldn't know the people I've gone with, they aren't from Rke. Each year, we seem to meet new people and we keep in touch throughout the year, for a good while anyway. You are right! Bikers are definitely misjudged!! The bikes are very expensive to maintain. The people I know that have HD's do very well for themselves and are very well rounded. Let me know if you all decide to go in May. Like I said, I haven't been on a bike since I saw that wreck several yr.s ago. I can still hang out at "Suck, Bang, Blow" and have a great time. For all you perverts out there, that is not what your thinking. It's a big festival during bike week. Oh and since S.C. doesn't have a helmet law, I never wore one. Dumb, I know. So needless to say, my hair was all over the place and I looked like Tina Turner, not even close to perfect! That's the great thing about it, you don't care when you're there. Today, I would probably wear 3 layers of everything- head to toe.
Dogtoberfest, I was thinking about going but the last time I took my little freaks to something like that, they got kicked out! It's a bit embarrassing to know you haven't raised your children properly.

Greg- What size and color rug are you looking for? I'm at Happy's Flea Market every Fri, Sat and Sun selling them. I'll give ya a good deal. Just let me know what you want. You can also hang them on your walls. I have them hanging all over the walls in my house and I get a lot of compliments on the decor. My company is speechless when they come to visit. I don't know why.
About your Philly trip, or should I say your 'Miami Vice' audition, where did you think you were going to go if you were alredy in the far right lane? People are crazy! Vicky, you need to get out of there and come on home.lol. No, that can happen anywhere. Greg, did you do something to upset this man or instigate this in any way? lol.

Trina- Sounds like you were cruising through Kingsport like you lived there. You and I would be in big trouble on a road trip. I still get lost driving to Myrtle Beach and I have gone for the past 33 years and have driven it for 22. They need to stop building these new roads that supposedly make the trip shorter. For me they just make it longer and add another state for me to travel through.

Kelly- I have no other guesses at this time but I will let you know when I do. Is it really that bad? Are we gonna kick you out of the forum bc of it? Give me a hint pleazzze.
About your pt. at the nursing home, I'm really surprised they didn't tell he and his family. The dr.s I've worked with are painfully brutal when breaking the news to the pt. and their family. I rarely see them show empathy. I always thought they were just immune to it bc they do it daily. I could never tell someone they are dying w/i the week w/o crying with them.
I would like to play golf with you all but I may end up just driving the cart before the game is over. That's usually what happens. I get bored easily and am ready to move on to something else (hence, I'm not married). Now, if we drink some beers while were playing then I'm sure I will leave that place feeling like Tiger Woods. Let me know when you all are going to play again.

Sean- Poor Jay! I didn't realize he could drive like that. He was like Bo and Luke Duke on 2 wheels. That was pretty scarey. I swear I thought we were gonna flip and take out several cars but Jay held it down, on 2 that is. I hope he comes to the HC game. Let's peer pressure him til he agrees to come! I think Laura Clinebell has his email address or his # too????.

Shannon- I look forward to seeing you at the game. I'm glad so many people are going. I hate I didn't make it to the reunion but hopefully the HC Game will allow everyone to get together again and catch up while at our old stomping ground. Does anyone know what happen to Coach Hickam's Parking Space? Does anyone remember when Jason Goodykoontz parked in his space and they called his lic. plate # over the intercom to go move his car?

What happen to the count down Vicky? 10 more days!!
Have a great Wed. everyone!
Stef.

10/08/08 12:24 AM #628    

Stefanie Lugar

Greg- You are killing me with these songs! Thanks for the laughs. I love REO Speedwagon. She wouldn't be embarrassed over REO!! Love the 8675309 too. I have given that # out to people when they ask for it and I don't want them to have it. No one catches it. We appreciate you DJ GT!!! Can you scratch too? Wicky, wicky, wicky!!!

Ok, when you see me at the HC Game you will think I am from the class of '68. I swear I have aged 20 yrs since I started on this forum. I am getting half the sleep I was getting before I discovered this site.

Nite all!
Stef.

10/08/08 12:26 AM #629    

Kelly Houston

For so many reasons I'm just full of tears right now. Yeah...I'm a girl and all of that crapola crying and whatnot. I'm just me right now. Love you all. Good stuff. Gnight.

10/08/08 12:31 AM #630    

Kelly Houston

Shrat Steffi...no REO speedwagon! You're a cool crazy cat...I really like you. I'm thinking of dressing my 50 pound poodle in a Tanner costume for Dogtoberfest. Hee hee.

10/08/08 12:35 AM #631    

Kelly Houston

Greg- oh my gosh. Shoestrings were a flyin back in the day. I knew for sure you knew ALL about it. Ooopsie.

10/08/08 08:22 AM #632    

Trina Schossow (Folden)

Jolee...saw NKOTB on Rachel Ray yesterday. Those boys are still looking fine. Actually, they look exactly like they did then!

Stef...I'm sad to admit that I still get lost in downtown Roanoke. I think together we could get into real trouble.

Kelly...was your first concert Menudo???

10/08/08 10:03 AM #633    

 

Jolee Clarke (Preston)

Kelly~

Received an email this morning with the following information in it...found it interesting as that is what we have been talking about. End of life education for patients may be what I do my Doctoral research on...I am soooo interested in it...

End-of-life talk has cascading benefits: study

Last Updated: 2008-10-07 15:00:12 -0400 (Reuters Health)

By Megan Rauscher

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - In terminally ill patients, "end-of-life" discussions with their doctor do not increase emotional distress or reduce quality of life, a study shows. On the contrary, these discussions improve the quality of life of both the patient and loved ones when death is near.

"We did this study," Dr. Alexi A. Wright told Reuters Health, "because talking about death is difficult and upsetting and we wanted to know whether these conversations are worth it; do they improve patients' quality of life and medical care at the end of life?"

"What we found was that these conversations have cascading benefits for patients and their loved ones," she said.

Wright, from the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Boston and colleagues examined the associations between end-of-life conversations, medical care near death, and patient and family mental health for 332 patients with advanced terminal cancer and their spouse or adult child.

"Patients who remembered having these conversations were three times less likely to be admitted to the intensive care unit, four times less likely to be put on a breathing machine, and six times less likely to undergo resuscitation in their last week of life," Wright told Reuters Health.

Patients who had end-of-life conversations also entered hospice earlier and longer hospice stays were associated with better quality of life, while more aggressive end-of-life intervention was associated with worse patient quality of life.

"And surprising to me," Wright said, the loved ones of the terminal cancer patients who received intensive end-of-life interventions had a threefold higher risk of developing major depression 6 months after the patient died.

"This study really brings home the message that patients' experiences near death have lasting effects on how their loved ones live after they are gone," Wright said.

In the study, which appears in this week's issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, more than 60 percent of dying patients did not recall having end-of-life discussions with their doctors.

"It's really important," Wright said, "for cancer patients with advanced disease to talk to their doctor about the kind of medical care they want to receive at the end of their lives because their mental and physical condition often deteriorates rapidly and if their families and physicians do not understand their wishes before this happens they may get medical care they never wanted."

SOURCE: Journal of the American Medical Association, October 8, 2008.


10/08/08 10:59 AM #634    

Kelly Houston

Jolee- sounds like a great topic for a research paper. I'd be very interested to see more on end of life education and statistical research.

10/08/08 01:56 PM #635    

 

Kristen Witt (Bray)

Kelly -- trust me when I speak from experience (i.e. illness and death of my daughter, illness and death of my mother, 2 types of cancer for my father) The situations that I have run into is that the doctors are pretty honest about life expectancy, but they are also careful not to give out too much information. Hence, the patient will give up and just die. They told my father in 1995, that even under best circumstances that he only had 5 years left to live. He is still alive today, and has beaten cancer 2 more times. The doctors and hospice called me once a week to notify me that my mom could die at any minute. I went through that for over a year. I'm not blaming the doctors or hospice because they notified us of what they saw (and I often saw the same thing and agreed with them). But, my mom wasn't ready to let go. I admire people like you who are in this type of field (we often pray for the nurses and doctors in the NICU, PICU, and burn unit) because I can't imagine the moments that ya'll bring home with you every night. Just know that the best thing that you can do for ANY human being is show them compassion, respect, treat them like a human and not someone who is dying, and most important, is to give them that amazing smile that you have. Even if I was dying tonight, I would rather see a smiling, "see you tomorrow" face than to see a face with the look of pity. You did the RIGHT thing. You can't stop his death, and you can't make his family come to grips with his mortality. Take great comfort in the fact that he got to spend quality time with an amazing, beautiful woman. And I really mean that!

Okay, guys. It is starting to look like I will be coming in Homecoming weekend, even though I won't make it in time for the game. So, who wants to go out on Saturday night and what do you want to do? We can meet for dinner, or we can meet up later for drinks and dancing. I can't stay out too late since we have a long trip to make the next day. (Vicky, are you coming in by yourself?)

Okay, could the mysterious concert be "Milli Vanilli"? (Did I spell that wrong?) Okay, DJ GT, get me some lyrics and fast!!!!!!!!!!

10/08/08 02:28 PM #636    

Kim Booth (Easter)

Jolee and Kelly- I do have to thank you guys for what you do. When my dad died of cancer in `03, the hospice nurses were the nicest people, though the director of the place we used was a royal bitch. My dad had a nurse named jewel and let me tell you, she was that and more. The night he died, she came back to help the rn nurse and then she came to his funeral. That was just a touch of class. It was hard for him to accept the fact that he was going to die, but even harder for me and my brother to accept that we would lose our dad before my mother. She was sick for so many years that she could have died any day, but when dad got cancer, six months later, he was gone.

On a positive note, what time is the football game and what time are we meeting to eat? I probably missed it, need glasses now.

10/08/08 02:36 PM #637    

Greg Terry

Kristen I was going to guess Milli Vanilli too! I have to admit I did go to that concert and it was pretty awesome. Who cares if they weren't really singing.

You said you didn't need her
You told her good-bye (good-bye)
You sacrificed a good love
To satisfy your pride
Now you wished
That you should have her (have her)
And you feel like such a fool
You let her walk away
Now it just don't feel the same
Gotta blame it on something
Gotta blame it on something

Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling
Blame it on the stars that did shine at night
Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
Blame it on the rain yeah yeah

Ooh, ooh (ooh)
I can't, I can't. I can't, can't stand the rain
I can't, I can't. I can't, can't stand the rain
Yeah, yeah
Should've told her you were sorry (sorry) huh
Could have said you were wrong
But no you couldn't do that. No, no
You had to prove you were strong ooh
If you hadn't been so blinded (blinded)
She might still be there with you
You want her back again
But she just don't feel the same
Gotta blame it on something
Gotta blame it on something

Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling
Blame it on the stars that did shine at night
Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
Blame it on the rain yeah yeah

You can blame it on the rain
Cos the rain don't mind
And the rain don't care
You got to blame it on something
(Blame it on the rain)
(Blame it on the stars)
Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
Blame it on the rain yeah, yeah
You can blame it on the rain

10/08/08 03:33 PM #638    

Sean Bowyer

Homecoming. Cant wait to see everyone again. It's amazing to see what a great group of people came out of the class of '88.
Jolee. I'm with you on putting your affairs in order. I've been to a few funerals over the past year and only one of them had everything in place. Trace and I did this 11 years ago when our first child was born and it honestly gives you some peace of mind. The last thing I want is the gov. sticking it's hand out and every family member thinking they know what is best. Power of attny. and wills are pretty cheap now but I would use an attny instead of the online sites.
Kelly. Boy George?

10/08/08 06:49 PM #639    

 

Vicky Lakes (Fuller)

Kelly - Sorry to hear about that...I can only imagine what you deal with on a daily basis, you and Jolee. John's step mother was diagnosed with liver cancer in January. Total denial. His dad has the onset of Altzhimers (sp?) and won't make it on his own without her. 10 months later she looks fine, whatever they are doing must be working, but the reality is that there are ALOT of affairs to get in order on the just in case it's anytime...the hard part is they are in Boston and we are here. But her sons are there and doing what they can, but it's not their responsiblity when it comes to care for John's father. They never told us any thing. John's step brother called him out of the blue in May to let us know when he found out that John was coming up on business.

John and I made all our funeral arrangements last year. Already paid off our lots, working on the headstone...how morbid is that? Wills are also in order.

Kristen - Yes as far as I know I am a loner for the trip next weekend. I keep forgetting when I ask you to come that you have little ones and Steve works...I take advantage of the fact John works from home. The offer still stands though, even if you want to bring the kids there is room.

Chris C - Well at least it's not Phoenix (aka surface of the sun)...you'll love VA Beach, they have some awesome golf courses. Pay attention to flight paths for the Naval Bases, nothing is worse than buying a house and listening to planes taking off every minute...unless that doesn't bother you any ( It never bothered me, but apparently I was the exception down there). I think Lara Payne (now Walker) lives in Suffolk which is right there. I'd suggest moving towards Chesapeake unless you like congestion and over-crowding. We used to live in Great Bridge / Hickory in Chesapeake and loved it. Let me know where you end up, I still visit friends down there.

So I have had a rough day today, will have to get into that later. As much as I support teachers I was ready to ring one's neck today..let's just say I sparked an investigation. I still have the migrane, but none the less it's not over...


10/08/08 07:22 PM #640    

Carla Boyd (McCabe)

Sean...Matt and I also did the will thing 11 years ago when our first was born. It brings me comfort to know where my kids will be if anything happens to both of us. We talked to my cousin and her family and decided that was where my kids(and our $) go in the event of our deaths. I also like the fact that my kids know what would happen in that case. As a kid, I took comfort in knowing that if anything ever happened to my parents, I would live with my Dad's sister.
Here is a funny story...I was always told the man's name who handled my parent's money...they told me if anything ever happened to them to call him and he would know what to do. But I had never met him. Several years ago I was in the German club before a football game at VT and was introduced to him...I recognized his name right away and as I shook his hand said "Oh! You are the guy I am supposed to call if my parents die!" He laughed when I told him who I was! He had played HS football with my Dad.

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