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05/25/22 10:02 AM #898    

 

Laura Fletcher (Lindsay)

I, too, agree, Danny. Your insight and eloquence are noteworthy. I would add the failure to act on climate change and our current SCOTUS issues compound the problems you note.  I grieve for our children and 10 grandchildren for what they face now and in the future. 


05/25/22 11:04 AM #899    

 

Patricia Doyle (McLain)

Well said Danny! Thank you for saying what so many of us know to be true.


05/25/22 01:25 PM #900    

 

Patricia Doyle (McLain)

Danny, I'm thinking about your post and it reminded me of a question a friend asked me recently. She wanted to know what happened to the "middle." She's not inclined to take far left or right positions on issues and feels like no one is listening to her more moderate views. In fact she's increasingly uneasy expressing a moderate view for fear of being publicly bullied or shamed. She wants to have a civil conversation about difficult issues but has no where to go beyond a limited number of close friends. I feel much the same way. Which is why I'm glad we have you and others on this forum to thoughtfully raise issues and challenge me to think more deeply. Thank you all! Pat


05/25/22 04:48 PM #901    

 

Carol Murrell (Murrell)

You nailed it Danny. I am just sick that nothing has been done about our American gun problem. It is so tiring to hear about mental health issues that need to be addressed. Every country on this planet has people with mental health issues, but they don't have mass shootings. Why in the world does anyone need an AR15 and more importantly, why are they legal in America? America has 5% of the world population but owns 42% of its guns. Elected officials send out Christmas cards with their whole family armed with assualt rifles. This love affair with guns needs to end.

When our founding fathers wrote the second amendment, there were dueling pistols and muskets. They could never have envisioned the weapons we now have in socity. So go to it people, get all the muskets and dueling pistols you want.

Please do not misunderstand this rant-hunters should still be allowed to hunt and have their rifles. People who feel the need for protection in their homes should have legal access to guns(not assault rifles). But for the love of God, let's have background checks, red and yellow flag laws and licensing in all states.

We need to elect people who will represent American citizens, not the lobbyists with the most money.

Sorry for venting so much. This is just so tragic and I worry for my sons and grandchilden as well as all American citizens.


05/26/22 08:59 AM #902    

 

Eric (Rick) Moon

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that I am opposed to the murder of children (or anyone else); and as a compassionate human being and the grandfather of a fourth-grade girl and two first-grade twin girls, I am as shocked and appalled as anyone can be by the horrible tragedy in Uvalde.  Tears came to my eyes and a lump to my throat as I looked at the pictures of these innocent victims and their families.

However, I question the notion that the problem of gun violence in America could be an easy fix if we could just agree on someone to blame, such as the gun lobby, and pass some "sensible" legislation.  Let's say that we do get such legislation passed and regulations put in place.  What will we then say the next time something like this happens?  Which it will, regulations or no regulations.  Finding someone to blame and striking a righteous pose is a lot easier than actually doing something effective, which is going to be a very thorny problem indeed.

I also believe that the people of Ukraine, and other victims of aggression, would take strong exception to the notion that the only justification for owning a gun is hunting.


05/26/22 10:26 AM #903    

 

Edgar Hart

I appreciate Danny's comments, but no law will deter some law breakers. But if the Senate would have approve the background check law already approved by the house, there is no way many of these shooters would buy weapons. If weapons were classified as in the UK and assault weapons were not available to the public it would help. The problem is that our country stopped valuing life and truth became relative and the morality of the Judeo Christian tradition has been cast aside and everyone is free to do their own thing. Individualism has become an idol and the idea of a social contract for mutual benefit has been lost. I miss you all.


05/26/22 10:26 AM #904    

 

Edgar Hart

I appreciate Danny's comments, but no law will deter some law breakers. But if the Senate would have approve the background check law already approved by the house, there is no way many of these shooters would buy weapons. If weapons were classified as in the UK and assault weapons were not available to the public it would help. The problem is that our country stopped valuing life and truth became relative and the morality of the Judeo Christian tradition has been cast aside and everyone is free to do their own thing. Individualism has become an idol and the idea of a social contract for mutual benefit has been lost. I miss you all.


05/26/22 11:42 AM #905    

 

Christina Gibson (Lindblad)

Thank you, Ed for your response. We try to put social bandaids on the real need for heart change.


05/28/22 03:40 PM #906    

Paul Shelton

Sometimes problems get so big, so broad, so complicated, that it is impossible to encapsulate answers or solutions in anything short of book form. That’s about where we stand right now. Short answers seem like a struggle to write a thousand words in a few pithy opinions that don’t begin to cover the subject.

As for Russia, I can only report what my reading and life experience leads me to conclude. I have no time to offer “deep support”. Russia is a special case; one needs to dig through the deepest archives to find a history more tragic. The brutalizing of people for centuries on end, with unspeakable horrors, has been the lot of its people. Its modern incarnation still haunts the broad and bleak Russian plain, and the person of Vladimir Putin keeps the horrors alive. 

Why did Putin attack Ukraine? For power and empire, plain and simple. The excuses offered by the Kremlin could not be more specious. Ukraine presented no territorial threat whatever to Russia, nor did or does NATO. The only credible threat is that a successful Ukraine might, just might, inspire Russians to finally be rid of its endless stream of dictators. The other reason? Russian corruption is so bad it even deceived itself. Russian intelligence is so out of touch it thought Ukrainians would welcome the Russian army with flowers and Ukrainians would cower to the shadows as Putin installed his puppet in Kiev. But instead, we learned that Ukraine has a national heart that wants to keep beating, and, in truth, the Russian military is a paper tiger that could easily be vanquished by NATO forces.

And what about Russia as a nuclear threat? We allow ourselves to be intimidated by a world class bully. The odds of Russia resorting to a nuclear strike are as slim as Putin deciding to wear a dress to work. It is an obvious bluff. Any nuclear choice by the Russians would spell the end of Putin’s regime in a heartbeat with no nuclear retaliation necessary.

But the bluff works, because there are always enough people afraid to challenge a bully. We entered the fray by providing weaponry to the Ukrainians. What on earth for? A failure to answer on the part of the West betrays our cowardice. One does not enter a war, proxy or otherwise, to lose people and treasure. There must be a goal, and that goal can only be one thing: to win.

The bigger question is what will Putin do if “successful” in Ukraine. The odds on bet is a quick redirection of focus to Romania through Transnistria. We have been confronted with an unspoken ultimatum: Either you stop us now, or we will continue to recapture eastern Europe. Victor Orban has already started building the structure in Hungary. 

I think the West acted far too slowly and timorously in not advancing into Ukraine by Ukraine’s invitation. You don’t let a brutal bully get the upper hand. We, in fact, were handed a golden opportunity to take Putin out while the chance presented itself. Several years from now, having done nothing, we are likely to have an even more difficult choice. Without avowing the goal of victory, we are fulfilling the “jest” that we are only willing to fight to the last Ukrainian – which is a terrible conclusion to this nightmare.

Addressing the gun issue, and the passing idea that Russia would have had second thoughts about invading Ukraine if Ukrainians had guns in their closets, I can only say this: An attempt to make a rational connection between Ukrainian gun ownership and Russia’s choice to invade is risible. No hunting rifle (in every closet, to boot – be real) will stop a tank or an artillery battery.

As for guns in the US, I am convinced we are about the dumbest clucks on the planet suggesting that more guns makes us personally safer. We need to regulate guns for the dangerous tools they are. All statistics point to the prevalence of guns in a society as predictive of gun violence. We lead the world in gratuitous and deadly use of guns. All military grade guns should be owned only by certified ranges or individuals who store them at ranges – for use only within those ranges. All guns should be locked (trigger locks, removeable triggers, key or fingerprint locked, etc.) when in public and unable to be used by anyone other than the owner. These are potentially deadly, not just dangerous, but deadly, “toys”. All gun ownership should be registered beyond B-B and pellet guns, and ownership and sales treated just like vehicles, with heavy fines for violation. 

I happen to think firing guns at targets is a perfectly respectable hobby, and legal hunting is actually necessary to control some animal populations. But allowing guns into social settings is a fool’s society. We are NOT safer carrying guns or having one at our bedside. Look at the statistics. We need guns for personal safety like we need more holes in our heads.

There, that’s my rant. Isn’t it great that our site can tackle the big issues, whether anyone agrees or not? Other high school sites hardly get further than birthday greetings and pix sent from someone’s visit to a beach somewhere.

Gotta go – more work to get done before my wife raises hell.

 

Paul


05/29/22 12:04 PM #907    

 

Eric (Rick) Moon

Paul - It is a little discouraging, after I have taken such pains in an effort to express an idea succinctly, that someone as bright as you can miss the point so completely.  How did my remark about the Ukrainians ever lead you to the notion that I believed Putin ought to have been deterred from invading by the knowledge that Ukrainian citizens were armed?  And your remark about rifles being ineffective against tanks?  Huh?

The point I believed I was making was that the Ukrainians were armed - private gun ownership in Ukraine is widespread, according to information I found - and that they are using their guns to shoot invading Russian soldiers, with great effectiveness.

Of course, in America, we won't ever have to worry about the need to resist tyranny, right?  It can't happen here.  Now that's risible!

That being said, I believe your remarks about Russian civilization were spot on.  For more on that subject, everyone might want to have a look at a commentary published in the Wall Street Journal on 5/27 by Jeffrey Meyers, a Joseph Conrad scholar.  Conrad was born in Ukraine of Polish parents, and had firsthand knowledge of Russian tyranny led him to write extensively about the centuries-old and still continuing bent for brutality and wanton destruction present in Russian culture.

 


05/29/22 04:54 PM #908    

 

Art Hyland

 

Friends,

 

It would be easier to discuss this in person because the good points made by others could be incorporated more easily with our individual ideas; alas, I humbly present the following knowing there are imperfections made or missed.  

 

When a terrible event occurs, especially involving children, I think everyone deeply feels sorrow for those directly affected as well as the terrible loss of little ones who had their futures eliminated by a mad act.  Like many of us, I think about if that had happened at my grandchildren’s school.  We all personalize it in some way or another via sadness and/or an emotional reaction to how we think it could have been avoided.  If one believes in God, this is a time to pray for correcting the ills of society.  But as long as there are humans on earth there will be bad actors or tragic events that will happen despite our best efforts.

 

One of the most predictable results of terrible events involving guns is an immediate confusion of perspective.  To quickly decide better gun legislation should have been enacted to have avoided this terrible event is to fall into a trap of emotional anger.  I’m as angry as anyone that this happened; why was a back door through which he entered the school left open?  There are tons of questions that need answers.  Like wind-directed politicians, some immediately wish to identify a villain to blame.  We’ve become a nation conditioned to veneer analysis, instant fulfillment and guaranteed satisfaction.  We can and should have better protection for our schools, unfortunate as that requirement seems to be.  It appears that system broke down, but it could have been enough had it been followed.  We are at a loss to explain why an individual would commit such a heinous act.

 

Would we be having any discussion here if he had set off a bomb such as in Oklahoma?  Or driven his vehicle into a full classroom, or used gasoline?  I don’t recall a similar emotional call for legislative action in this forum after over fifty people were killed and/or badly maimed by a person mowing over innocents at a joyous Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin.  Was that less emotional than the latest tragedy?  The common denominator of purposeful killng is the mental condition of the perpetrator, not the means by which they took innocent lives.  I understand the emotion shooting people to death causes in our minds; it’s a terrible image to contemplate.  But people purposely killing others is equal in my mind.  No one is more dead with one method over another, and all need to be mourned and the actions condemned.  Nevertheless I am open for some of the thoughtful suggestions made already.     

    

As to why a young man went crazy:  If K-12 public school students are allowed to demand institutions treat them as the opposite sex (and we’re not to question their decision but instead encourage it, with the state enforcing this decision no less with its “inclusive” mantra), or where public schools are compelled to teach there are over 60 genders, it’s not difficult to understand why a confused young person is left to wonder and wander in the community until he chooses to act out some fantasy.  Standards of behavior have become so relative many of our youth are simply not understanding the importance of discerning right from wrong.  Despair is becoming a fast-growing youthful cause of death.  Contemplate this:  there were over 6000 young suicides in 2020, according to the Surgeon General.  These numbers are terrible.  Where’s the emotional outrage for them?     

 

So how has our society changed from our younger days vs today?  I think we’ve replaced God with belief in human omniscience.  Anyone who openly talks about or refers to their religious beliefs in a public setting or in the media are frequently mocked.  It never used to be that way.  There was once room for all beliefs and philosophies within the public sphere, but not so much anymore.  Too many think all answers reside in our pockets or purses: a man-made devise therein pretends to instantly deliver answers to all we ask it.  I love the iPhone as much as anyone, but it doesn’t come close to the wisdom and humility our society possessed back when we were quite sure we didn’t know everything.  But we generally did know right from wrong and were willing to enforce it.  We can be that nation again if we stop assigning political opponents as villains and work together to define the problems and get back to basics.

 

I for one am of the mind that a rather shocking worldwide financial disaster is about to shake the foundations of our world.  Our federal government is spending/borrowing trillions it obviously does not have.  This cannot continue without a huge reckoning.  Rome disappeared because of both financial and moral decay.  Any comparisons worth considering here?  With financial uncertainty and inflation building momentum, soon every problem we have discussed in this forum since its inception may be rendered moot.  Our generation of baby boomers let this happen and I am ashamed we did.  And if it gets as bad as it truly could, you will want to have some personal protection to feel safe.  Just something to consider in this rather upside down world we are gradually exiting.    


07/10/22 05:59 AM #909    

 

Edgar Hart

Happy Birthday Karen, a day late!


07/30/22 05:52 PM #910    

 

Danny Braudrick

Did anyone take the class Gregg Notehand at Sammamish? I did. I thought it was the coolest thing, until...

I thought this would be great for taking college classroom notes. I took a class on Chaucer, wanting to get a head start on my major, English Lit. I was able to take my notes so rapidly and accurately. What a boon to the classroom experience. Chaucer was a five credit course, class every day. And Olde English melded so well with the Gregg Notehand, especially the pronunciations, Gregg being phonetically written.

I knew getting ready for my midterms would be a breeze, my notes were so complete...until I tried to read them. Writing in Gregg is one thing. Reading it? Impossible when trying to do so, two months later. I found I had to translate each word. And guess on many, too. 

You see, Gregg is suppose to be translated immediately. If not sooner. How did I miss that in class? So, that which I expected to be transformative, took me about ten times longer to prepare for my midterm. Transformative, indeed.

 

 

 

 


07/31/22 09:51 AM #911    

 

Edgar Hart

I took the class, but used it to eliminate writing out conjunctions and prepositions. I had to write out most nouns but not many verbs. No class was a breeze for me and it was worthless in Grek and Hebrew. Have a good one, we're creeping up on 80!


07/31/22 04:42 PM #912    

 

Eric (Rick) Moon

Did anyone see the NYT article about how Shakespeare's plays had been bowdlerized, back in the day, so as not to offend the sensibilities of young students?  It was written by a woman whose father was a professor of English lit, and he reportedly grimaced when she showed him the version she had been given. I'm wondering if the versions we studied in high school had had this treatment?


09/17/22 03:52 PM #913    

 

Art Hyland

Today, 235 years ago, the U.S. Constitution was signed by 39 delegates of the states in Philadelphia, whereupon it was then sent to the 13 states to be ratified as the basis of law in the United States of America.
 
You can have Gender Equity Month, Diversity Month, Ramadon Month, Pride Month, Black History Month, Hispanic Heritage Month and a host of other "desigated" months or days only some of which are highlighted by a national media bent on pushing an agenda rather than actually celebrating something of American history or heritage.
 
Where's Constitution Month?  No, it only gets Constitution Week.  
 
The Constitution was written in penmanship (i.e. cursive) so a great and growing proportion of the population of the United States cannot read it directly; they have to see it in print in order to read it, if introduced to it at all. This growing condition of ignorance is but one of the many examples of history washing that our educational system has brought to bear on America today.  We have to reverse this, and we can if we personally instruct or display to people we all know the knowledge of important American history at grass root levels every day, week and month hereafter.  We have to stop accepting the national celebration of factions and demand only national celebrations pertaining to all Americans.  Let various groups celebrate all they wish locally or separately but not for national recognition or consumption.  We're Americans, and we need to have all citizens acknowledge and celebrate their Americanism, period.  This would be the start of eliminating the divide that is currently and unfortunately promoted.  IMO,  
 
Art 
 
This preamble and its meaning are as meaningful and important as it was in 1787: 
 

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09/18/22 09:32 AM #914    

 

Patricia Doyle (McLain)

I saw an interview with a Black educator at Sarah Lawrence who said she refers to herself as American African because she is American first. Now I'm saying I'm American Irish. Maybe it will catch on. Also if you get a chance check out John McWhorter's book Woke Racism. He's a Black linguistic scholar who makes a case for taking action to address issues of racism rather than espousing orthodox platitudes and policing word use. Thanks Art for reminding me of our founding history. To be celebrated! Pat


09/20/22 10:47 AM #915    

 

Jay Spaulding

OH THANK YOU ART!! SIMPLY PUT. BRILLIANTLY COMMUNICATED. I'M SO THANKFUL FOR OUR WONDERFUL (THOUGH ABUSED AND SCORNED) CONSTITUTION. I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE LAWS IT CONTAINS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO BRING AND MAINTAIN UNITY RATHER THAN FACTIONS. BUT, LIKE THE LAW OF GOD OF OLD, THE WEAKNESS IS NOT IN THE LAW BUT IN THOSE WHO HAVE IT AND FAIL TO DO IT. 

JAY SPAULDING


01/07/23 01:12 PM #916    

 

Jay Spaulding

Is anyone still out there?

Jay (Spud) Spaulding

 


01/08/23 08:19 AM #917    

 

Stephen Nicol

I am and really look forward to some more lively well reasoned posts of concern to all.  I have been too busy to look as we have had covid in August, then my wife had a stroke in October with a strep infection and bleeding ulcers and a partial aortic blockage. (All but the blockage completely cleared up).  


01/08/23 09:58 AM #918    

 

Curtis (Gene) Sorensen

Yes, their are still members of the 1963 clan, walking the earth.

We are not all rich and famios , but happy!!!

Very glad  not to be in Bellevu(Sammamish) now. 

Are we still planning a reunion this year???

C.E.S.


01/08/23 10:02 AM #919    

 

Eric (Rick) Moon

Hey everyone - I'm still breathing in and out, still getting around OK, and still somewhat lucid (I hope).  I for one would attend a 60th anniversay reunion if it should come together.


01/09/23 08:17 PM #920    

 

Danny Braudrick

I'll come for sure. Hope food is soft and tables allow motor powered scooters. I'll need two places at the table: one for me, of course, and one for my nurse. I hope I can find one there locally. I can't afford to pay over $7.75/hour even with my seniors and military discount. Age of nurse not important unless over 25. Nationality? Swedish, blonde, preferred. My wife says I have old man humor. She's wrong. I'm not old yet. 


01/22/23 10:38 AM #921    

 

Art Hyland

Jay, and all those who still watch this site, I was wondering the same, as the absence of dialogue has been growing on this forum.  It reminds me of that old Yogi Berra quote, “It’s so crowded no one goes there anymore.”  

 

In my mind the Class of ’63 is and always will be a current thought and memory as if we just graduated a short time ago.  And hey, 60 years is a short time when you compare it with so many other time periods.  And that short time thought makes me wonder just how we have adjusted to the current experience we still call the United States of America.  Back when our parents and their friends were celebrating the end of WWII, we were toddlers and happiness prevailed across our nation; men were men and women were women, which condition seemed permanent and unassailable.  What’s changed?  

 

Oh Nothing.

 

Look, if we can’t laugh at the contemporary alteration in thought and words that have proliferated to where up is down, left is right and everything is relative, then we haven’t learned to adjust to those 60 years.  Humor, mixed with a solid desire for respecting tradition, has blessed our nation for all these hundreds of years . . .in concert with a growing return to citizen acknowledgment of the Almighty who created us.  With God anything’s possible, and we lived those possibilities for sure. There will be more for this nation. 

 

I’ve cloaked the above in as neutral language as I can, which might be further explained by referencing a Christmas card a close friend sent years ago titled, “Season’s Platitudes.”  The intent might seem to mock where we have come at this time, but it really was just an invitation to continue a long discussion about what’s really important, which details are left to more intense and meaningful communication.  Yet given the age of ubiquitous little screens with millions of subjects demanding attention, we may have to work a little harder to keep the Sammamish dialogue alive. 
 

I would doubt any meeting of this august group celebrating 60 years since those days we gathered in Sammamish would end in anything other than gratitude for the lives we had, the memories of those we knew who aren’t with us, and for the years we look forward to enjoying.

 

We can and should get together again as well as continue this forum. The reports of our demise are highly exaggerated, to mimic misquoted M Twain. 

 

Art


01/23/23 09:12 AM #922    

 

Kip Miller

I think you would be supprised at how many classmates follow and read the forum, but don't contribute for one reason or another. I apologise for my lack of contribution(s).  Maybe the site would benefit from a "like" button.

I have fond memories of our class and how it seemed so diffrent from others. That closeness, for me, was evident in the way it felt like an extended family because of the large number of caring and outgoing classmates.  And that is still true, even as we approach sixty years.

I think a sixty year reunion would be amazing and I would contribute in any way the organizers need assistance.  An organized informal/casual gathering would be to my liking.


 


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