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04/20/24 03:13 PM #16935    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, so nice to see those photos and know spring is here.
Glen, now I want to get some trout.
Love to you both, Joanie

04/21/24 12:08 PM #16936    

 

Janet Lowry (Deal)

Glen, that looks like the gluten free dinner of my dreams. Nice

04/21/24 01:17 PM #16937    

 

Jack Mallory

Glen, how would you prepare this?


04/22/24 01:34 PM #16938    

 

Glen Hirose

 

First we need to subdue it.

 

A large stick or rock would probably prove useless. Second option would be to play video of the MoCo Council Public hearing on constructing bicycle lanes for all major county traffic arteries to reduce rush hour congestion. Last and most inhumane is exposing the poor creature to a looped sound tract of Barry Manilow's Greatest Hits.

 

 


04/22/24 01:42 PM #16939    

 

Jack Mallory

Barry Manilow's greatest hits. No living creature deserves this. 


04/23/24 02:13 PM #16940    

 

Jack Mallory

First day that both birds, blue sky, and sunshine have co-occurred at the nest. But I'm afraid something may have happened to a first clutch of eggs, which probably should have hatched by now. Mom and dad seem to be working on another clutch. 

 

 

 

 


04/23/24 03:41 PM #16941    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Thanks much for educating me (us) further on background as well as more of what has transpired since Oct. 7th, Joanie. You hit on many of the complications & entanglements facing Israel & our position as its ally. My hope is that this election season will not lead the way and that what is best ultimately does not rely too heavily on "which way US political winds" are blowing. Knowing where that line begins & ends is often publically unclear. Of course it is tragic for the hostages & families & the many innocents who have perished since that bloody October day. But tragic too, are the horrific conditions on our college campuses where students are dropping out in fear of their lives, antisemitism is rampant & where classes are literally closing down,  As a voice in the 'forum' wilderness, I pray Israel is not deterred from continuing to root out Hamas so as to make this ugly cycle less likely to reoccur. 

 

 


04/23/24 08:47 PM #16942    

 

Jack Mallory

Nora, would it be asking too much for some justification for your claim that conditions at our approximately 6,000 colleges and universities are "tragic" and "horrific?" 

I can't find media references to even 50 campuses, nationwide, at which demonstrations around the Hamas attacks on innocent civilians on October 7th and the subsequent Israeli attacks on innocent civilians are occurring. That's less than 1% of all colleges and universities. Seems a little hysterical to refer to a 99% non-existent phenomenon as horrific. 

 

What evidence is there that, at 6,000 college campuses, "students are dropping out in fear of their lives?" How many students at how many campuses? At those thousands of institutions, how many demonstrate "rampant" antisemitism? How is this manifested? How many of those 6,000 have "literally" closed their classes?

Antisemitism, like Islamophobia, is a hateful ideology wherever it exists. The news certainly demonstrates the presence of both in American society. But spreading exaggerated rumors without evidence fails to expose and counter hatred in any real and effective way. 
 

And, personally, I'd love to see Israel and Hamas both deterred from killing innocents, especially when my tax dollars are used to pay for death. In our 60 years or so as tax payers, how many have not involved our buying death somewhere in the world?

 

 

 

 

 


04/24/24 07:43 AM #16943    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

There has been a big rise in antisemitism on College campuses...even if its not on all the college campuses Jack, its ENOUGH to cause serious problems and be a big cause of concern. It has reached the level of violence in many instances,  and its enough to cause alarm too for the rise in Islamaphobia. Many of us heard the story of that one little 6 year old boy that is now dead because of his landlord hating muslims. He had a sweet face that is no more. After October 7, I was shocked to see the response by some in the US cheering for Hamas. I grew up shielded in that the only antisemitism I experienced was overhearing someone say, kikes and then another person saying antisemetic things. I am heartbroken for the brutal rapes and murders of Jewish people just out at a music festival and of course the hostages that are now taken over six months.  I am heartbroken for the civilians in Gaza paying the price of losing their life in the war. I can never equate Hamas with Israel. I know the answer will be, well, the same result has happened that Hamas killed Israelis and Israel killed civilians but there is a big difference when Hamas went in with the express point of committing terror and Israeli's went into Gaza to respond to a traumatized Israeli public who won't tolerate Hamas with all their tunnels ready to attack Israel again. Love, Joanie

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/23/1246380646/concerns-over-antisemitism-rise-as-jews-begin-observing-passover


04/24/24 09:22 AM #16944    

 

Jack Mallory

Not claiming that bigotry isn't a truly serious issue, Joanie. And I do understand that it does occur and is occurring daily. 

But often with Nora's posts there is a paucity of facts, and indeed the presence of misinformation. That's why I often ask for clarification in the form of evidence for her claims, and I'm usually disappointed by her inability to provide that. I think we're better off addressing serious issues with a serious examination of reality. 

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Trying to answer my own question to Nora, here is the WaPo map of what they call "notable" campus demonstrations against the war on Gaza  

About two dozen of the 6,000 or so colleges/ universities. No mention of any students dropping out from fear of antisemitism, no count of classes closed. Similar articles report similar numbers and details. If anybody has more complete information, please post it with sources. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2024/04/23/map-student-protests-arrests-universities-us/


04/25/24 02:05 PM #16945    

 

Glen Hirose

Jack,

Iran International

Commander Says Iran Will Destroy Israel And Attack The US

 
"Iran will continue its struggle until the destruction of “enemies”, the United States and Israel, the commander of its extraterritorial Qods ..."
 
I think their plan was clear, HAMAS was their sarrogate, and their operatives here are making good use of those college & university protests (on your map), and front their case to the world media. Sick.
 
 
 

04/25/24 02:52 PM #16946    

 

Jack Mallory

Glen, your last post was unclear. Are you saying there are Iranian operatives in the U.S. somehow involved in campus demonstrations against the Israeli attacks on Gaza? What evidence is there for this? The article you give a sentence from contains only a very brief reference to Gaza. 

For anyone interested in the complete article, it's here: https://www.iranintl.com/en/202208065484

Keep in mind that it's dated August of 2022, well before the current catastrophe in Gaza and reaction in the U.S. began, so it can't possibly contain any evidence of Iranian complicity in the protests.

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Numbers of campuses involved are perhaps increasing. Latest map and some details, though scarcely "horrific," from the NYT here:

By squinting I can count 50 or so. Still less than 1% of US campuses. 
 

Where the police have intervened

  • Columbia University in Manhattan: New York City police officers arrested 108 demonstrators on April 18. Administrators set a deadline of midnight on Friday for protesters to dismantle their encampment and disband. 

  • Emory University in Atlanta: Several dozen protesters set up tents on a campus lawn on Thursday. The Emory Police Department ordered the group to leave and contacted the Atlanta police and the Georgia State Patrol for assistance. A university spokeswoman said that protesters were “attempting to disrupt our university” and that the university “does not tolerate vandalism or other criminal activity on our campus.” Demonstrators accused the police of using pepper spray or tear gas. Emory did not immediately comment on the claims.

  • University of Southern California in Los Angeles: After students set up an encampment on Wednesday, Los Angeles police officers ordered them to disperse and arrested 93 people.

  • Emerson College in Boston: Students pitched tents on Sunday evening, according to the school’s student newspaper, The Berkeley Beacon. On Wednesday night, the Boston police arrested 108 people and cleared out the encampment. On Thursday, a spokeswoman for Emerson said that classes had been canceled for the day.

  • University of Texas at Austin: Students were protesting on Wednesday, and dozens of police officers, many of them in riot gear and some of them on horseback, arrested 57 people after they refused to disperse, according to the Travis County Sheriff’s Office. All of those who were arrested have already had their cases disposed, and most have been released from custody, the sheriff’s office said. Some university faculty and staff members protested in support of the students on Thursday. Princeton University in New Jersey: Students started to pitch tents on Wednesday. On Thursday, university officials said they had sent the protesters repeated warningsto clear the area, and two graduate students were arrested. The officials said that the tents were voluntarily taken down afterward.

  • California State Polytechnic University, Humboldt in Arcata: Dozens of protesters were occupying an academic and administrative building on Wednesday morning, university officials said. The campus on the Pacific Coast in Northern California has remained closed since Monday, after an attempt by the police to remove the protesters from the building turned violent, leading to three arrests. On Thursday, officials said that the campus will remain closed at least through Sunday.

  • University of Minnesota in Twin Cities: Nine people were taken into custody after they erected an encampment. The Associated Press reported that Representative Ilhan Omar attended the protest on University of Minnesota’s campus on Tuesday. The encampment was cleared Wednesday morning, but it appeared to have returned on Thursday. A rally was also scheduledfor the afternoon.

  • Ohio State University in Columbus: Protesters on Thursday formed an encampment, which a university spokesman said was in violation of school policy. They were asked to clear the tents, and three protesters who refused were arrested. Earlier in the week, two students were also arrested during an on-campus demonstration, university officials said.

  • Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill.: About 200 students began setting up an encampment on campus Thursday, and police officers were present. When asked if any arrests will be made, an Evanston police officer said, “That’s Northwestern’s call.” Later in the day, university officials said demonstrators had removed their tents. When some protesters refused, they were cited by the Northwestern police, the university said.

  • Washington University in St. Louis: The police disbanded a protest and encampment on campus on Wednesday, according to the school’s newspaper.

  • New York University in Manhattan: The New York Police Department made dozens of arrestslate Monday after students occupied a plaza on campus.

  • Yale University in New Haven, Conn.: Hundreds of people have come out to protest since last week. On Monday, the police arrested more than 40 people.

Other schools where protesters have set up encampments

  • Harvard in Cambridge, Mass.: Students set up an encampment on Wednesday after the school closed Harvard Yard for the week. A pro-Palestinian group, the Harvard Palestinian Solidarity Committee, announced earlier in the week on social media that it had been suspended.

  • Brown University in Providence, R.I.: About 90 students set up an encampment Wednesday morning and said they would stay until they were forced to leave. The protest violated university policy, officials said in a statement, adding that the demonstrators had been informed they would face “conduct proceedings.”

  • University of California, Los Angeles: On Thursday morning, there were around 30 tents pitched on campus.

  • Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.: A coalition of student groups announced on Thursday morning that students had gathered before dawn to create a “liberated zone” on the campus. School officials have told the demonstrators to remove their tents by 1 p.m. on Thursday or face disciplinary action, including suspension.

  • Fashion Institute of Technology in Manhattan: Videos posted on social media on Thursday showed an encampment had formed inside a university building, with protesters running inside.

  • Florida State University in Tallahassee: On Thursday morning, students began forming an encampment on campus.

  • City College of New York in New York City: Videos on Thursday showed students erecting a “Gaza solidarity encampment.”

  • George Washington University in Washington: Nearly 70 students from George Washington University, along with students from nearby Georgetown University, established an encampment on Thursday. Later in the day, school officials notified students that they had requested the assistance of the D.C. Metropolitan Police to “relocate” the “unauthorized protest encampment.”

  • Michigan State University in East Lansing: Around 35 students set up an encampment with about 18 tents on Thursday morning, according to the school’s student newspaper, The State News.

  • University of Rochester in Rochester, N.Y.: Students set up an encampment on the school’s River Campus on Tuesday, according to local news.

  • Tufts University in Medford, Mass.: About a dozen tents had been set up on the university’s academic quad by Wednesday morning. The Tufts encampment was not fenced off or surrounded by police officers or security personnel. A protester said he was unaware of any contact between protesters and the administration.

  • University of Delaware in Newark: Around 300 students and faculty members protested the in Gaza on Wednesday, according to local news outlets. An encampment was also set up.

  • Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Mass.: Students set up an encampment earlier this week. On Thursday morning, there was a small police presence around the encampment but no signs of tension between officers and protesters.

  • The New School in Manhattan: Protesters set up tents inside a school lobby, and two dozen students formed a picket line on Tuesday.

  • The University of California, Berkeley: Students have set up an encampment, according to local news reports.

  • University of Michigan in Ann Arbor: About 40 students set up an encampment on Monday morning, according to the school newspaper, The Michigan Daily.

  • University of North Carolina at Charlotte: An encampment was set up earlier this week, according to the school’s student newspaper, The Niner Times.

  • University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill: Students set up an encampment on campus shortly after the Columbia students were arrested last week.

  • Rice University in Houston: Members of the Rice chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine formed what they called a “liberated zone” on campus on Tuesday, according to the school’s student newspaper. Student organizers posted videos and photos on Wednesday night showing that tents were still pitched there.

  • University of Pittsburgh: Videos posted online on Wednesday showed an encampment and tents pitched on the school’s campus.

  • Indiana University in Bloomington: Pro-Palestinian student groups announced on Thursday that they had set up an encampment.

  • Swarthmore College in Swarthmore, Pa.: After students built an encampment on campus, school officials on Tuesday said that they would work with the organizers “to try to bring the situation to a peaceful conclusion.”

Schools with other forms of protest

  • University of Florida in Gainesville

  • University of Maryland in College Park

  • American University in Washington

  • University of Texas at Dallas

  • University of Texas at San Antonio

  • University of New Mexico in Albuquerque

  • University of Texas at Arlington

  • University of Southern Maine in Portland

  • Purdue University in West Lafayette, Ind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/us/pro-palestinian-encampments-protests.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb


04/26/24 01:47 PM #16947    

 

Glen Hirose

Jack,

The HAMAS attack on Israel was no casual "Hey let's go have a beer, I've got an idea..."

It was meticulously planned and very well funded by Iran. Do you doubt this? I certainly did not want to imply that Iranian visitors/residents/citizens were to be considered suspect agents, but if Russia, China, and North Korea vigorously support HAMAS, their agents here must be actively promoting anti-semitism, anti-Israel through the college & university protests. So why then would Iran be any different? 

 


04/26/24 02:51 PM #16948    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I agree with Glen that Iran is in the picture when it comes to attacks on Israel. They recently did direct attacks but often they get their proxies to do it They have lots of proxies surrounding Israel, Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in the North in Lebanon, Syria, the Hutis, to name a few. Since Israel was formed in 1948, there has been one attack after another and some of the bigest were in 1948, 1967, 1973 and 2024. Their charters call for the destruction of Israel. The US has been an important ally to Israel, a country isolated and surrounded by enemies Love, Joanie

04/26/24 05:02 PM #16949    

 

Jack Mallory

Glen, that the attack was meticulously planned well before it took place has been known and reported on extensively. The NYT has described Israel's detailed foreknowledge of the Hamas battle plan a year before the attack.  I said nothing suggesting otherwise. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb


May there be Iranian, Russian, Chinese, and North Korean promotion of student protest here in the U.S.? I suppose. Zoroastrians? Reptile People from Arcturus? Could be. 

But without evidence to the contrary, I'll suppose that student and other protests today, like the decades of protest we've seen over the course of our lives, have their roots and justifications right here. From the Civil Rights movement to the fight against the Vietnam War, accusations of foreign interference have commonly been used to delegitimize Americans involved in struggles to change the status quo. 

Those of us who object to U.S. government and institutional support for devastating attacks against civilians in Gaza don't need inspiration from Iranians. 

 

 


04/26/24 08:09 PM #16950    

 

Glen Hirose

Jack,

I'm writing this response prior to your reply. Strict adherence to facts and substantiated evidence trails are noble traits which world leaders (American in particular) seldom if ever adhere to. Seems the more likely motivation for our strategic action is based on taste, touch, smell and political currency. Is this wrong? Following a trail of dots is not leading, anticipating where they are headed is. 
 
I'm not advocating U.S. government and institutional support for devastating attacks against civilians in Gaza. Nor do I think for one moment Iran et al is trying to convince Americans of anything. We are merely the best stage for the World to watch. So is a quid pro quo solution likely even possible? Pleazz... 
 
 

04/27/24 07:56 AM #16951    

 

Jack Mallory

I agree completely, Glen. And given the propensity of many of our political leaders to deal in unsubstantiated allegations, misinformation, and outright lies I kinda feel like us citizens should set a better example dealing with each other. Substantiated statements, evidence for our allegations, honest response to questions are the way discourse should be conducted. Otherwise, why bother? Your opinion, Nora?

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04/27/24 09:10 AM #16952    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Let me know when you think it reaches "tragic", Jack.


04/27/24 10:19 AM #16953    

 

Jay Shackford

(Editor’s Note:  It’s complicated, as they say.  I won’t pretend to know the answers to solving the war in Gaza, but I do know this: “Kill or be killed” as one of my classmates suggested is pure insanity.  Moreover, what appears to be the official response to student protests on college campuses is getting out of control.  The protests today are much more peaceful than those in the 1960s that led, in part, to LBJ stepping down and ultimately the withdrawal of U.S. forces as well as long overdue civil rights legislation like the right to vote for African-Americans and people of color.  Political protests are part of our democratic process.  Are some of the protesters tainted by racism and hatred of Jews?  Sure.  But the vast majority, including some Jewish students, just was a cease-fire and the killing of innocent civilians to stop. I will say one more thing:  Had we had the Internet back in our college days in the mid 1960s we would have brought the Vietnam War to an end in a matter of months.  Below is Tom Friedman’s latest piece in the New York Times on the Gaza situation filed from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.) 

 

 

Israel has a choice to make: Rafah or Riyadh

 

By Thomas L. Friedman

Opinion Columnist, writing from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

 

U.S. diplomacy to end the Gaza war and forge a new relationship with Saudi Arabia has been converging in recent weeks into a single giant choice for Israel and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: What do you want more — Rafah or Riyadh?

Do you want to mount a full-scale invasion of Rafah to try to finish off Hamas — if that is even possible — without offering any Israeli exit strategy from Gaza or any political horizon for a two-state solution with non-Hamas-led Palestinians? If you go this route, it will only compound Israel’s global isolation and force a real breach with the Biden administration.

Or do you want normalization with Saudi Arabia, an Arab peacekeeping force for Gaza and a U.S.-led security alliance against Iran? This would come with a different price: a commitment from your government to work toward a Palestinian state with a reformed Palestinian Authority — but with the benefit of embedding Israel in the widest U.S.-Arab-Israeli defense coalition the Jewish state has ever enjoyed and the biggest bridge to the rest of the Muslim world Israel has ever been offered, while creating at least some hope that the conflict with the Palestinians will not be a “forever war.’’

This is one of the most fateful choices Israel has ever had to make. And what I find both disturbing and depressing is that there is no major Israeli leader today in the ruling coalition, the opposition or the military who is consistently helping Israelis understand that choice — a global pariah or a Middle East partner — or explaining why it should choose the second.

 

I appreciate how traumatized Israelis are by the vicious Hamas murders, rapes and kidnappings of Oct. 7. It is not surprising to me that many people there just want revenge, and their hearts have hardened to a degree that they can’t see or care about all of the civilians, including thousands of children, who have been killed in Gaza as Israel has plowed through to try to eliminate Hamas. All of this has been further hardened by Hamas’s refusal so far to release the remaining hostages.

But revenge is not a strategy. It is pure insanity that Israel is now more than six months into this war and the Israeli military leadership — and virtually the entire political class — has allowed Netanyahu to continue to pursue a “total victory” there, including probably soon plunging deep into Rafah, without any exit plan or Arab partner lined up to step in once the war ends. If Israel ends up with an indefinite occupation of both Gaza and the West Bank, it would be a toxic military, economic and moral overstretch that would delight Israel’s most dangerous foe, Iran, and repel all its allies in the West and the Arab world.

Early in the war, Israeli military and political leaders would tell you that moderate Arab leaders wanted Israel to wipe out Hamas, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that is detested by every Arab monarch. Sure, they would have liked Hamas gone — if it could have been done in a few weeks with few civilian casualties.

It’s now clear that it can’t be, and prolonging the war is not in the interest of the moderate Arab states, particularly Saudi Arabia.

From the conversations I’ve been having here in Riyadh and in Washington, I’d describe Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s view of the Israeli invasion of Gaza today like this: Get out as soon as possible. All Israel is doing at this point is killing more and more civilians, turning Saudis who favored normalization with Israel against it, creating more recruits for Al Qaeda and ISIS, empowering Iran and its allies, fomenting instability and driving away much-needed foreign investment from this region. The idea of wiping out Hamas “once and for all” is a pipe dream, in the Saudi view. If Israel wants to continue to do special operations in Gaza to get the leadership, no problem. But no boots permanently on the ground. Please get to a full cease-fire and hostage release as soon as possible and focus instead on the U.S.-Saudi-Israeli-Palestinian security-normalization deal.

 

That is the other road that Israel could take right now — the one that no major Israeli opposition leader is arguing for as the top priority, but the one that the Biden administration and the Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians, Bahrainis, Moroccans and Emiratis are rooting for. Its success is by no means a sure thing, but neither is the “total victory” that Netanyahu is promising.

 

This other road starts with Israel forgoing any total military invasion of Rafah, which is right up against the border with Egypt and is the main route through which humanitarian relief enters Gaza by trucks. The area is home to more than 200,000 permanent residents and now also more than one million refugees from northern Gaza. It is also where the last four most intact Hamas battalions are said to be dug in and, maybe, its leader Yahya Sinwar.

The Biden administration has been telling Netanyahu publicly that he must not engage in a full-scale invasion of Rafah without a credible plan to get those one million-plus civilians out of the way — and that Israel has yet to present such a plan. But privately they are being more blunt and telling Israel: No massive invasion of Rafah, period.

A senior U.S. official put it to me this way: “We are not saying to Israel just leave Hamas be. We are saying that we believe there is a more targeted way to go after the leadership, without leveling Rafah block by block.” The Biden team, he insisted, is not trying to spare the Hamas bosses — just spare Gaza another spasm of mass civilian losses.

Let’s remember, the official added, that Israel thought Hamas’s leaders were in Khan Yunis and it destroyed much of that town looking for them and not finding them. And they did the same with Gaza City in the north. What happened? Sure, a lot of Hamas fighters there were killed, but many others just dissolved into the ruins and have now popped up anew — so much so that a Hamas unit on April 18 was able to fire a rocket from Beit Lahia in northern Gaza toward the Israeli city of Ashkelon.

 

U.S. officials are convinced that if Israel now smashes up all of Rafah, after having done the same to big parts of Khan Yunis and Gaza City, and has no credible Palestinian partner to relieve it of the security burden of governing a broken Gaza, it will be making the kind of mistake the United States made in Iraq and end up dealing with a permanent insurgency on top of a permanent humanitarian crisis. But there would be one critical difference: The United States is a superpower that could fail in Iraq and bounce back. For Israel, a permanent Gaza insurgency would be crippling, especially with no friends left.

And that is why U.S. officials tell me that if Israel does mount a major military operation in Rafah, over the administration’s objections, President Biden would consider restricting certain arms sales to Israel.

This is not only because the Biden administration wants to avoid more civilian casualties in Gaza out of humanitarian concerns, or because they would further inflame global public opinion against Israel and make it even more difficult for the Biden team to defend Israel. It’s because the administration believes that a full-scale Israeli invasion of Rafah will both undermine prospects for a new hostage exchange, for which officials say there are now some fresh glimmers of hope, and destroy three vital projects it has been working on to enhance Israel’s long-term security.

The first is an Arab peacekeeping force that could replace Israeli troops in Gaza, so that Israel can get out and not be stuck occupying both Gaza and the West Bank forever. Several Arab states have been discussing sending peacekeeping troops to Gaza to replace Israeli troops, who would have to leave — provided there is a permanent cease-fire — and the presence of the troops would be formally blessed by a joint decision of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the umbrella body bringing together most Palestinian factions, and the Palestinian Authority. The Arab states would also most likely insist on some U.S. military logistical assistance. Nothing has been decided yet, but the idea is under active consideration.

The second is the U.S.-Saudi-Israeli-Palestinian diplomatic-security deal that the administration is close to finalizing the terms of with the Saudi crown prince. It has several components, but the three key U.S.-Saudi ones are: 1) A mutual defense pact between the United States and Saudi Arabia that would take any ambiguity out of what America would do if Iran attacked Saudi Arabia. The United States would come to Riyadh’s defense, and vice versa. 2) Streamlining Saudi access to the most advanced U.S. weapons. 3) A tightly controlled civilian nuclear deal that would allow Saudi Arabia to reprocess its own uranium deposits for use in its own civilian nuclear reactor.

 

In return, the Saudis would curb Chinese investment inside Saudi Arabia as well as any military ties and build its next-generation defense systems entirely with U.S. weaponry, which would be a boon for American defense manufacturers and make the two armies entirely interoperable. The Saudis, with their abundant cheap energy and physical space, would like to host some of the massive data-processing centers required by U.S. tech companies to exploit artificial intelligence, at a time when domestic U.S. energy costs and physical space are becoming so scarce that new data centers are becoming harder and harder to build at home. Saudi Arabia would also normalize relations with Israel, provided that Netanyahu committed to work toward a two-state solution with an overhauled Palestinian Authority.

And last, the United States would bring together Israel, Saudi Arabia, other moderate Arab states and key European allies into a single, integrated security architecture to counter Iranian missile threats the way they did on an ad hoc basis when Iran attacked Israel on April 13 in retaliation for an Israeli strike on some senior Iranian military leaders suspected of running operations against Israel, who were meeting at an Iranian diplomatic compound in Syria. This coalition will not come together on any continued basis without Israel getting out of Gaza and committing to work toward Palestinian statehood. There is no way Arab states can be seen to be permanently protecting Israel from Iran if Israel is permanently occupying Gaza and the West Bank. U.S. and Saudi officials also know that without Israel in the deal, the U.S.-Saudi security components are not likely to ever get through Congress.

The Biden team wants to complete the U.S.-Saudi part of the deal so that it can act like the opposition party that Israel does not have right now and be able to say to Netanyahu: You can be remembered as the leader who presided over Israel’s worst military catastrophe on Oct. 7 or the leader who led Israel out of Gaza and opened the road to normalization between Israel and the most important Muslim state. Your choice. And it wants to offer this choice publicly so that every Israeli can see it.

So let me end where I began: Israel’s long-term interests are in Riyadh, not Rafah. Of course, neither is a sure thing and both come with risks. And I know that it’s not so easy for Israelis to weigh them when so many global protesters these days are hammering Israel for its bad behavior in Gaza and giving Hamas a free pass. But that’s what leaders are for: to make the case that the road to Riyadh has a much bigger payoff at the end than the road to Rafah, which will be a dead end in every sense of the term.

I totally respect that Israelis are the ones who will have to live with the choice. I just want to make sure they know they have one.


04/27/24 10:58 AM #16954    

 

Jay Shackford

 (Editor’s note: To date, nobody from Donald Trump’s immediate family has attended any of his days in court — not Melania, Donald, Jr., Ivanka or Eric.  Al Capone and the so-called communist spies in the 1950s had a better turnout.  To me that’s looks very strange.) 

 

Where’s Melania? 

 

By Maureen Dowd

Opinion Columnist, reporting from Washington for the New York Times.  

April 20, 2024

 

Outside my office, there is a picture of the Slovenian Sphinx visiting the Egyptian Sphinx, taken during a 2018 photo shoot in Giza, nine months after Melania Trump was blindsided by the steamy news about her husband and Stormy Daniels.

The pairing evokes the riddle of Melania: How much can she put up with from a husband who betrayed and humiliated her in the basest possible ways?

As Donald Trump’s hush-money trial begins, we’ll be reminded of what a heel he is. And like Hillary before her, Melania will have to hold her head high as she stands by her Lothario. Melania will also put political and personal prospects above mere resentment. (She doesn’t want Donald broke and in jail.)

As her White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham wrote in her memoir, Melania wanted no Hillary comparisons. When the Other Women stories broke, Melania told Grisham she wanted to drive to Air Force One ahead of Trump.

 

“I do not want to be like Hillary Clinton, do you understand what I mean?” Melania said, according to Grisham. “She walked to Marine One holding the hands with her husband after Monica news and it did not look good.”

 

Hillary was able to use her husband’s infidelities to redefine herself with a more sympathetic aura and slingshot to a Senate seat.

This trial may help cement Melania’s image as a Trump, a loyal citizen of Trumplandia who thinks the system is rigged against her husband and who will stand with Donald as he tries to regain the Oval — no matter his perfidies toward her and others.

 

As Katie Rogers wrote in The Times, Melania shares Donald’s view that the trial is unfair and the prosecution is a disgrace, engaging in a proceeding that is, itself, tantamount to election interference.

When the Stormy story broke, Grisham thought Melania would storm.

But the presence of anger was conveyed by absence. Melania, who rarely visited her East Wing office anyhow, holed up in her suite and at the spa in Mar-a-Lago, a satiny confinement. This most elusive of first ladies became even more elusive, skipping dinners with her husband on the patio, striking references to him and avoiding the word “wife” in tweets, dropping her plan to accompany Donald to Davos, posting a photo of herself on the arm of a handsome military aide, taking a separate car to her husband’s first State of the Union address.

Melania must have gritted her perfect teeth through Stormy’s “Make America Horny Again” strip tour, her tell-all in In Touch magazine saying she could describe Donald’s anatomy, and a cringey “60 Minutes” interview.

Stormy, a star of “Sexbots: Programmed for Pleasure” and the director of “Lust on the Prairie,” told Anderson Cooper that she asked about Melania during her condom-free liaison at a celebrity golf tournament at Lake Tahoe in 2006: “And he brushed it aside, said: ‘Oh yeah, yeah, you know, don’t worry about that. We don’t even —. We have separate rooms and stuff.’”

Lovely.

So far, Melania has not deigned to play Maureen Dean, sitting behind her man in court every day for support. (Ivanka has shunned the courtroom, too.) Melania has long called Stormy “Donald’s problem,” noting to Grisham: “He got himself into this mess. He can fix it by himself.”

She is, by all accounts, angry that she has to be dragged through this X-rated circus again, especially while she is still mourning the death of her mother.

What could be more absurd and hypocritical than the putative Republican nominee selling Bibles and promoting an America with draconian abortion laws during his trial over a $130,000 payment to keep a porn star from telling voters about their dalliance?

 

Melania surely recoils from the prospect of testifying, which Justice Juan Merchan suggested might happen. He has also ruled that jurors may hear about Trump’s affair with Karen McDougal but not about how it continued while Melania was pregnant.

The former first lady, who is helping her son prepare for college, perhaps at New York University, does not want Barron’s name thrown around in a New York court. Trump made Barron an issue, asking for a day off for his son’s high school graduation.

Signaling that she will be part of the campaign, Melania is headlining a Log Cabin Republican event at Mar-a-Lago this weekend. In an interview with Fox News Digital previewing her remarks before that L.G.B.T.Q. group, Melania said that America “must unite.” It’s not the first time her message has been at odds with her husband’s behavior.

As first lady, Melania clearly styled herself after Jackie Kennedy, wearing high-fashion clothes that seemed to be not only art but also armor and maintaining poise through a parade of indignities.

“Like Jackie, Melania foregrounded her role as mother, and that enabled her to keep a degree of distance,” Dawn Tripp, the author of the upcoming novel “Jackie,” told me. “Both had that guarded, sphinx-like quality. But Jackie used that quality to maintain her independence from her husband’s administration and used her power in public and private ways. Melania often simply seems complicit in Trump’s irresponsibility.”

Complicit, to borrow from the “S.N.L.” skit about Ivanka, the perfume of Trump women.

 


04/27/24 11:11 AM #16955    

 

Jay Shackford

KING DONALD’S DAY AT THE SUPREME COURT

A political hit job? A military coup? Trump’s lawyer tests the boundaries of a truly imperial Presidency.

By Susan B. Glasser 

April 25, 2024

 

Donald Trump is nothing if not a dreamer. In seeking to return to the Presidency, it’s as though he has reimagined America as a kingdom and himself the king, an absolute ruler whose actions, no matter how sordid, cannot be stopped or subject to prosecution in a court of law. And yet what remains most remarkable is how far down the road to fulfilling this fantasy he now is, and how many millions of Americans he has managed to carry along with him: the Republican primary voters who, overwhelmingly, chose him again as their party’s nominee; the Republican officials, such as former Attorney General Bill Barr, who, despite condemning Trump for calling forth violence and illegality in his effort to overturn the 2020 election, are nevertheless endorsing him this year; the advocates on and off his payroll who say that a federal criminal case against him must be thrown out because, as President, he had every right to seek to overturn the election. This is the Richard Nixon theory of the executive taken to its circular and oh-so-Trumpian extreme: if the President does it, by definition, it is not illegal. “I have the right to do whatever I want as President,” Trump said when he was in the White House.

On Thursday, Trump’s legal team asked the Supreme Court to take this both literally and seriously, advancing his fantastical claims about an unfettered Presidency in oral arguments at the Court, where, alarmingly, they received a respectful hearing. So here we are in the midst of this most consequential election year, debating things such as whether a President has the power to accept bribes for official appointments, to sell nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary, or even to call forth a military coup to remain in office. How is it possible in the United States of America that the answer to any of these questions could be yes? And, yet, strip out the hemming and hawing, the polite citations of Marbury v. Madison and the sayings of Benjamin Franklin, and the answer from Trump’s lawyer to all of the above was more or less: Yes.

In a remarkable dialogue with that lawyer, D. John Sauer, Justice Sonia Sotomayor established that Trump believes he should even have the right to order the assassination of a political opponent without fear of prosecution. Yup, we’ve reached the point of the election year where Trump’s lawyer says it’d be O.K. if Trump were to order a hit job on a rival—and is not immediately laughed out of court. The claims advanced by Sauer on behalf of the most powerful man in the world were so sweeping that, eventually, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was left to wonder “what the disincentive is from turning the Oval Office into the seat of criminal activity in this country.”

It says everything about Trump that these are the questions debated and dissected on his behalf. It says everything about this Supreme Court—a radical right-wing bench that Trump reshaped with his appointments—that several conservative Justices hardly seemed bothered by this absolutist vision of the Presidency. And yet, notably, I did not hear any of them specifically defend Trump’s indefensible conduct or the tremendous overreach recommended by his lawyer; instead, they invoked fears of unwarranted prosecutions against other former Presidents—not this one, they insisted somewhat sanctimoniously, but unnamed others. “I’m not talking about the present case,” Justice Brett Kavanaugh said. “I’m talking about the future.” Justice Neil Gorsuch agreed, stressing this was not so much about Trump as it was about debating “a ruling for the ages.”

Whereas the liberal Justices worried about the consequences of having a President on an unconstrained crime spree, several conservative Justices conjured a “dystopian” future, as the government’s lawyer, Michael Dreeben, called it, in which the American Presidency, once subjected to the same criminal laws as the rest of the country, could become a fearful and neutered office, trapped in never-ending cycles of legal revenge and retribution as the vicissitudes of politics dictated. On this point, it was hard to entirely disagree. Can one imagine a reëlected President Trump ordering his Justice Department to prosecute Joe Biden for this or that imagined offense? Of course! This is not a theoretical threat, after all, but one that Trump has already made several times.

By the end of the nearly two hours and forty minutes of oral arguments, it seemed likely that the outcome would not so much vindicate Trump’s outlandish claims as provide the further delay that he has sought. Several conservative Justices, including Chief Justice John Roberts, specifically raised the option of sending the case back to the lower courts, perhaps to set a clearer standard dividing non-prosecutable official acts from prosecutable private actions. It is, apparently, impolite to bring up raw politics in Supreme Court oral arguments; no one said a word about the immediate real-world consequences of the Court’s forthcoming decision in this case. But there should be no illusions: given the calendar, any delay would practically guarantee that the special counsel Jack Smith’s case against Trump for seeking to overturn the 2020 election results will not go to trial until after the 2024 election. In other words, the Court would be taking Trump’s side, even without explicitly taking Trump’s side.

I’ll leave it to the legal analysts to sift through the relative merits of Thursday’s oral arguments. The disastrous ending of Trump’s tenure in the White House certainly presents a host of previously uncontemplated problems for the Supreme Court to rule on. But the bigger problem is that Trump’s challenge to American democracy is not principally one of legal doctrine. It is about a scary, straightforward question: whether the institutions set up to constrain an out-of-control President can or will do so when the actual crisis hits.

And to be clear: this is the actual crisis. The present worry is not what some theoretical future President will do to destroy the constitutional order but what this specific former President has already attempted to do and threatens to do once again. Considering Justice Jackson’s warning about a criminal unfettered by criminal laws sitting in the White House, it is worth reviewing the latest developments in Trump’s other ongoing legal dramas. In Arizona this week, an array of Trump’s advisers were indicted in connection with the former President’s fake-elector scheme, which is also a key part of the federal case against him. Trump himself was named as a co-conspirator and not charged, though his former White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, his attorney Rudy Giuliani, and sixteen others were. The case is the fourth state case—others are ongoing in Nevada, Michigan, and Georgia—in which allies of the former President are facing criminal proceedings related to the false and unproved allegations of voter fraud which they advanced on Trump’s behalf. The case, as with so many before it, raises one of the painful questions of our time: Can it really be, once again, that everyone but Trump will be held accountable for the wrongs committed on Trump’s behalf?

This is the same question at issue in a New York courtroom, where Trump is now standing trial on state charges related to the payment of hush money to stop the publication of embarrassing stories about him before the 2016 election. His former lawyer Michael Cohen has already pleaded guilty and gone to prison after confessing to the scheme involving a hundred-and-thirty-thousand-dollar payoff to the former adult-film star Stormy Daniels, among other wrongdoing. But not Trump, who sat glaring in the Manhattan courtroom on Thursday as his lawyer in Washington sparred with the Justices on the Supreme Court.

This is a man who believes he is fully above the law. Jail time is something that happens to other people, not to him. “A President has to have immunity,” he told reporters outside the courthouse. “If you don’t have immunity, you just have a ceremonial President.” Sometimes, I guess, it really is better to stand on ceremony. ♦︎

Susan B. Glasser, a staff writer, is the co-author of “The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021.” Her column on life in Washington appears weekly on newyorker.com.


04/27/24 06:15 PM #16956    

 

Jack Mallory

​Nora, if one student has dropped out of college because of fears generated by demonstrations, that would be tragic, even if not the fault of the demonstrators. Perhaps that has happened, but you've provided zero evidence of it. 

 

The trouble with creating a track record of exaggerations and claims you can't back up is that people then tend to suspect anything you say as BS. Even a person who might in fact have been threatened is not helped by support coming from someone whose veracity is suspect. 


 

 


 


04/27/24 07:19 PM #16957    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/support-hamas-terror-anti-israel-rallies-across-us

Jack, I think the problem is very deep and there is hatred of Jews and of Israel's existence that is widespread.It has been there since the moment that the State of Israel was formed.  So its not completely the right side against the wrong side in the groups that are forming as they are not forming only for the deaths of civilians. Many of them  are forming because they hate Israel and Jews. I think Nori understands that Israel is necessary in the region too and understands the threat they face to be wiped out surrounded by enemies.When they left Gaza where they were called occupiers, they were limmediately fired upon even having left. . That doesn't mean I don't think its horrific that so many Palestinians have been killed in the crossfire. .I don't like Netanyahu and the war is being carried out horrifically and of course there can be protests to that, but many of us couldn't stand Donald Trump but we were not through with America. He separated children from their mothers at the border and so much more. He is now calling people vermin and animals that are not in the white group. There are leaders in Israel that are in the Labor Party and would not govern the way Netanyahu is governing. Leaders come and go and Netanyahu is no longer popular in Israel. The hostages were not prioritized. Hamas started this war and it would be good to have some mention of their role in this. Love, Joanie


04/27/24 07:30 PM #16958    

 

Jack Mallory

I don't know that "tragic" covers killing your dog, but in this case I'd say "horrific" does. Brought to you by a potential Trump running mate.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/26/trump-kristi-noem-shot-dog-and-goat-book

Oh, and your goat, too.

*********

Joanie, which groups "are forming because they hate Israel and Jews?" Perhaps it's true, but the assertion or opinion brings up the questions, How do we know this--What is the evidence for this? As I say, it may very well be true, but there's so much  crap that ISN'T true in the media that we can't simply accept everything we see/hear.  Even, or especially, things from perspectives we agree with.


04/27/24 09:00 PM #16959    

 

Jack Mallory

Latest from NYT on numbers/locations of campus protests against Israeli actions in the occupied Palestinian Territories. 


 

By my very squinty count, 80 campuses where demonstrations have occurred. Up now to 1.3% of U.S. colleges and universities. Arrests have occurred at 18. No protests reported at 98.7% of campuses. No evidence that hateful messages predominate at any of them. Not exactly a tidal wave of antisemitic protest.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/pro-palestinian-encampments-protests.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

Just to add a little historical perspective for those whose memories are beginning to fade (like me!), after the Kent State student massacre four million students protested, 450 colleges and universities experienced protests, and Washington DC saw 100,000 demonstrators in the streets (5 days back from Vietnam, I was one of them).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings


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