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07/11/24 02:42 PM #17237    

 

Jack Mallory

Steve--5 yellow males (one ours, don't want 2!), 1 black male, 1 yellow female. 
 

If human litters were so multi-colored, would that eradicate racism? Or would the lighter yellow labs denigrate their darker brothers and sisters, black labs compete for credit as the blackest?

"Emulate the Turtle"

Another T shirt!


 

 


07/11/24 08:49 PM #17238    

 

Jack Mallory

Listened to Biden this evening, I'll read the pundits tomorrow. 

Despite a bit of confusion about who was the president of where, and who his own vice-president is, there wasn't the spectacular meltdown some were expecting or hoping for. 

I doubt many came away thinking, "That's one sharp cookie!"

But get the jar, Bill Maher and I will both vote for it.


07/12/24 03:06 PM #17239    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I thought Biden showed his vast foreign policy knowledge during the press conference. I was so impressed with him.  I understand the doubts after the debate but I personally saw in the press conference that Biden is  a heavyweight and on top of things  There has to be a rallying quickly around Biden or Harris as everyday Trump gains from this.   Love, Joanie


07/12/24 11:05 PM #17240    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Wow, I just heard Biden's rally in Michigan  He was on fire prosecuting the case against Donald Trump.  It warmed my heart to see the passion and clarity with which he took it to Trump and laid out what is at stake in this election.  Go Joe Go.  love, Joanie


07/13/24 11:47 AM #17241    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Joanie, I've said it before and will again. I've loved Joe Biden for years. His knowledge of foreign affairs has always been unsurpassed. But he's no longer up to par. Right now I think he's getting by.  I'm not worried about right now. I'm worried about how Biden will be on the job in 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028. Will he get better? I doubt my own faculties will improve in those years. Why should his? 

Asked at the end of a press conference if there were any Democrats who could beat Trump, Biden answered: "Probably 50 of them."  If he really believes that, then why the hell doesn't he let one of them do so? 

Hey, let's have lunch next time I'm in DC!


07/13/24 02:59 PM #17242    

 

Jay Shackford

In addition to agreeing with Joan's comments and being impressed with Joe Biden's speech in the"Motor City is Joe City,"  the fundamental issue remains:  "Is Joe Biden the best and strongest candidate to beat Donald Trump?"  I don't think so, and we are clearly losing ground in the six battleground states that will decide the election.  In the Washington Post the other day, columnist Dana Milbank had a very insightful thought: "It's not at all clear that Democrats would be better off without Biden on the ticket.  But this much is clear: As President, Biden has invariably acted in the best interest of the country,  I suspect that, if he sees more data coming in showing that he no longer can beat Trump, he will graciously bow out.  If he does so, he will ge remembered for the most substantial record of accomplishment of any president in decades.  If he holds on in the face of mounting evidence that he can't win, he will be remembered for selfishness -- a trait incompatible with his character."

 

 

 


07/13/24 03:46 PM #17243    

 

Helen Lambie (Goldstein)

Joanie 


07/13/24 08:32 PM #17244    

 

Robert Hall

President Biden condemned the attack on former President Trump today saying:
"There is no place in America for this kind of violence. It's sick. It's one of the reasons we have to unite this country. We can't allow this to be happening. We cannot be like this. We cannot condone this."

07/13/24 10:33 PM #17245    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Maybe some whack job thought he was justified in killing Hitler or at the very least, taking out a guy who's going to end democracy.


07/14/24 05:58 AM #17246    

 

Jack Mallory

​First thoughts this morning, not yet having read the pundits: there should be no place in America for this kind of violence, but there is every place for it. From churches and synagogues to school yards to movie sets to Walmarts to our homes and street corners. Every once in awhile somebody rich/famous/powerful gets hit, but it's usually just everyday Americans. 
 

The easy availability of semi-automatic, high capacity weapons*, bump stocks to convert them to fully automatic, ammo vending machines, celebrations of violence in "entertainment". Incitements to violence from social media whack jobs or national politicians. 

 

Our generation should remember Malcolm X's take on JFK's asssination:

"Chickens coming home to roost."
 

*the shooter was armed with an AR-15


07/14/24 11:16 AM #17247    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I think I remember that, after Las Vegas, Trump helped orchestrate a successful SCOTUS decision to ban bump stocks but the ban was recently considered unconstitutional & lifted this year. Whatever the law now, it should be our fervent hope that this event helps quell or at least temper the political rhetoric that has gone from disrespectful to wildly destructive, hateful & irresponsible. When an "end of the world" narrative is a daily injection into young minds, it can't help us. Any of us. Jack & the spirit of Malcolm X may think Trump deserves what he gets. Luckily for me, it's beyond my pay grade to make those kinds of judgments. Just remember, our grandchildren are listening. 


07/14/24 11:45 AM #17248    

 

Robert Hall

No one said or implied Trump got what he deserved Nori.

07/14/24 11:52 AM #17249    

 

Jay Shackford

A generation of political violence

By Dead-Center Shacks

 

The attempted assassination in Butler, PA yesterday on Donald Trump will go down as yet another very sad and tragic day in American political history. Our generation — the first wave of the Baby Boom — came of age during those violent political events in the last 40 years of the 20th century, including: 

 

  • Civil rights leader Medgar Evers being shot and killed by a white racist outside his home in Mississippi in early June 1963;
  • The JFK assassination on Nov. 22, 1963 during a motorcade in Dallas (we were seniors at BCC and all remember exactly where we were sitting when the announcement came over the school’s scratchy PA speaker system during 5th period of that tragic Friday (school was dismissed early and then closed for the entire next week);  
  • Malcom X assassination in 1965; 
  • The racial violence in the summer of 1967 sparked first in Newark and then in Detroit that set off a chain reaction in  23 other cities, resulting in hundred being killed and LBJ appointing a national Commission (known as the Kerner Commission after its chairman  Illinois Governor Otto Kerner) to conclude: “Our nation is moving toward two societies, one black, one white- separate and unequal.”
  • Martin Luther King’s assassination in the spring of 1968 that triggered rioting in dozens of major cities across the nation and scores of more deaths,  including DC where the 14th Street corridor going north from Thomas Circle went up in flames (many of us were seniors in college at the time);
  • RFK’s assassination in early June 1968 in Los Angeles after giving his victory speech on his decisive win in the California primary that would have given him the Democratic nomination and brought an early end to the Vietnam War that dragged on another seven years and another 30,000 deaths under President Richard Nixon;
  • The tragic rioting outside the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago during the summer of 1968;
  • The shooting and crippling of third party presidential candidate George Wallace while campaigning in Maryland in March 1972;
  • The assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan in March 1981 outside the Washington Hilton where he was giving a speech— just months after taking the oath of office.  

 

And now we have the attempted assassination of Donald Trump by a 20-year-old white male from Bethel Park, PA — considered a typical middle class, relatively affluent suburb of Pittsburgh at least when I lived and worked for UPI in Pittsburgh for four years in the early 1970s.  He was armed with an AK-15 and fired his shots from a rooftop adjacent to and about 150 yards away from the political rally. It was also reported that he was a registered Republican. We will learn more in the hours and days ahead — including how did he get the gun, what were his political motivations, who did he hang out with and his mental state in recent weeks and months.  

 

In previous political assassinations  and assassination attempts —most notably the killing of JFK and the attempt on Ronald Reagan’s life — the country has come together.  LBJ went on to pass the Great Society programs aimed at ending poverty. Reagan’s popularity shot up and he even changed his views on gun control.  But I don’t know if that’s even possible today.

 

J. D. Vance, in a statement after the shooting, accused Democrats of raising the temperature of political rhetoric by calling him an authoritarian and fascist — rhetoric that led to the attempted assassination.  

 

“The central premise of the Biden campaign is that Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs,” Vance said. “That rhetoric led directly to President’s Trump’s attempted assassination.” That statement alone, in my view,  should disqualify Vance from holding any public office.  

 

Take a look at what MAGA supporters are saying on the Internet.  It’s urgly, dangerous talk that is disturbing, tragic and promises “retaliation and retribution” against our political enemies (think I’ve heard that phrase before) in the days ahead.  

 

Come on.  As a life-long Democrat who has been as critical of Donald Trump as anyone on this forum — for his character, policy views or lack thereof,  criminal convictions and indictments and his on-the-record actions during his first term — I want to beat Donald Trump at the ballot box on Nov. 5.  I wish him a speedy recovery but I also wish him — more so now than ever before — a crushing defeat in the November election.  That’s the only way to stamp out the reckless and undemocratic MAGA movement that is tearing apart our country.  Moreover, I promise to honor the election Nov. 5 results and not march on Capitol Hill in an effort to overturn the election results if Joe Biden loses.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


07/14/24 12:46 PM #17250    

 

Jack Mallory

Thank you, Robert for recognizing that neither I nor the spirit of Malcolm X said that Trump deserved to be shot. 

Can't speak for Malcom, but for myself I'll note that an attempt to understand a particular act of violence by putting it in the context of a climate, a cultural environment, of surrounding violence is NOT justifying the particular act of violence. Just as Malcom X explained that his comment on the Kennedy assassination referred to the "climate of hate" extant in our culture at the time. 
 

Read what I actually write, Nori, not what you want me to have written. You're welcome to disagree with me, but not to misrepresent me.


07/14/24 01:39 PM #17251    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Bless your heart, Jack. Mea culpa. When you stated that it was an AR-15 right after citing the quote, I did indeed take that as a reference to Trump's well known support of the NRA 'coming back to bite him'. How very shallow of me & I certainly stand corrected! SO glad you & I agree that he might NOT deserve it after all. Glad too that Joe Biden did not mean it when he announced it's time to put a bulls eye on Trump, too. Gosh, everybody seems to be getting bit. Must be these doggone times in which we live. 


07/14/24 02:35 PM #17252    

 

Jack Mallory

Sua culpa accepted, Nori. There are many things Trump is deserving of, but assassination isn't one of them. And saying it's time to put a bullseye on a political opponent wouldn't be taken so literally except for these times we're living in, as you suggest. 

Or erecting gallows while calling for the Vice President to be hanged? 

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A fine old denizen of the NH woods, which time and gravity have brought to a 45 degree angle leaning over the Merrimack. It won't last forever like this, but seems hale and hearty in the meanwhile. I felt an affinity with it, as may some of you.


 


07/14/24 02:54 PM #17253    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Helen, Thank you for the beautiful happy birthday message.  Loved it❤️❤️❤️

Joan, I would love to have lunch when you are in town. .  My point is that I don't have a crystal ball but right now I believe that Biden showed after his Michigan rally that he can forcefully prosecute the case against Donald Trump.  It couldn't have been said better then what I  heard and he has the first term achievements to educate the American peopIe about what he's done and why it greatly benefits them going forward.  If things change in the 4 years, Kamala Harris can step in down the road. I think Biden has a better chance then she does right now to beat Trump. . Polls can change.  Dukakis was up 17 points but lost to Bush.


Nori, the point of this isn't to point fingers.   Your guy is not lacking in calls for violence.   Its about us all united against this heinous act that just happened.  .  Access to weapons of war are making our country in grave danger.   Thank goodness  Biden wants to ban assault weapons.  Love Joanie.     

 

 


07/15/24 08:51 AM #17254    

 

Jay Shackford

A Nation Inflamed

After the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, who can heal a country so threatened by menace, violence and division. 

By David Remnick/The New Yorker

July 15, 2024

On April 5, 1968, the day after Martin Luther King, Jr., was assassinated in Memphis, Robert F. Kennedy, who was pursuing the Democratic nomination for President, spoke to the Cleveland City Club about the “mindless menace of violence in America which again stains our land and every one of our lives.”

In a mournful cadence, Kennedy told the crowd that a sniper is a coward, not a hero; that the “uncontrolled, uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of the people.” Violence, whether it is carried out by one man or a gang, he said, degrades an entire nation:

Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence that ignores our common humanity and our claims to civilization alike. We calmly accept newspaper reports of civilian slaughter in far off lands. We glorify killing on movie and television screens and call it entertainment. We make it easy for men of all shades of sanity to acquire weapons and ammunition they desire. . . . Some look for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear; violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleaning of our whole society can remove this sickness from our soul.

On Saturday afternoon, a twenty-year-old man identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks positioned himself on a roof in Butler, Pennsylvania, and attempted to murder former President Donald Trump, who was speaking at a rally of his supporters. From more than a hundred yards away, Crooks allegedly fired off a series of rounds from what has been described as an “AR-15-style” rifle. One bullet grazed Trump’s right ear, he said. Had the shooter’s aim been even infinitesimally more accurate, Trump would have been mortally wounded. As it was, he was left stunned and bleeding from his ear. Before the Secret Service could sweep him off the stage, Trump paused near the steps to pump his fist and, in defiance, mouthed the words, “Fight, fight.”

President Joe Biden, who is facing calls from some Democratic leaders, various pundits, and much of the electorate to step aside, did the decent thing. In a statement, he expressed relief that Trump was safe and in good health: “I’m praying for him and his family and for all those who were at the rally.” Later, he appeared before reporters in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, and insisted that “everybody must condemn” the “sick” attack on his opponent, adding that he hoped to reach “Donald” later by phone. Biden momentarily set aside his profound differences with Trump, and his firm belief that the election would decide fundamental questions about the future of the country and its essence. “We cannot allow for this to be happening,” he said. Biden’s sole misstep was to add, “The idea that there’s political violence or violence in America like this is just unheard of.” If only that were true.

It remains to be seen if there is any leader in these hideous times who is capable of the pained eloquence and reason that Kennedy showed on the day after King’s murder. Set aside the sickening rush of accusation on social media, the vicious taunts, the crackpot theories that what happened in Pennsylvania was staged, a “false-flag operation,” a “fake,” the fault of the political left, the Democratic Party, and Biden himself. Set aside, for a moment, what influence the attempt on Trump’s life will have on voters in November.

Who is capable of bringing to this terrible moment the kind of moral sense that R.F.K. managed just hours after Dr. King was shot dead outside Room 306 of the Lorraine Motel? Many elected officials, Republican and Democrat, did issue statements denouncing violence and expressing relief that Trump had survived the attack. Many refrained from exploiting the event for political gain. But not all.

J. D. Vance, the junior senator from Ohio and a candidate to be Trump’s running mate, declared on social media that the shooting in Butler was “not just some isolated incident.” He added, “The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.”

Senator Tim Scott, of South Carolina, added more fuel to the atmosphere of conspiracy: “Let’s be clear: This was an assassination attempt aided and abetted by the radical Left and corporate media incessantly calling Trump a threat to democracy, fascists, or worse.”

Texas’s governor, Greg Abbott, tied the shooting in Pennsylvania to Trump’s myriad criminal convictions and indictments. “They try to jail him. They try to kill him. It will not work,” he posted on X. “He is indomitable.”

In the coming days, things will not likely get better. In a fevered and divided country, some will try to generalize the person and meaning of Crooks, a twenty-year-old high-school graduate who is both a registered Republican and, reportedly, a fifteen-dollar donor to a liberal voter-turnout group. When more details of his life emerge—and they inevitably will—it may be hard to know what it all means. If it means anything at all.

“For historians violence is a difficult subject, diffuse and hard to cope with,” Richard Hofstadter wrote, in his essay “Reflections on Violence in the United States.” “It is committed by isolated individuals, by small groups, and by large mobs; it is directed against individuals and crowds alike; it is undertaken for a variety of purposes (and at times for no discernible rational purpose at all), and in a variety of ways ranging from assassinations and murders to lynchings, duels, brawls, feuds, and riots; it stems from criminal intent and from political idealism, from antagonisms that are entirely personal and from antagonisms of large social consequence.”

What must be said, contrary to the rhetoric of Vance, Scott, and Abbott, is that Trump has, to say the least, done little to calm or to unify the country he once led and is campaigning to lead again. Unfortunately, it is hard to recall a public voice in living memory who has done more to arouse the lowest passions that so often percolate within individuals and the greater society. Even as one expresses genuine relief that Trump escaped a worse fate on Saturday (and sympathy for the family of the spectator at the rally who was killed), it is legitimate to describe what Trump and his rhetoric have meant to the country. He began his political career with statements like “When I was 18, people called me Donald Trump. When he was 18, @BarackObama was Barry Soweto.” And he went on from there, year after year. After Obama attended a public viewing for Antonin Scalia, but not the funeral, Trump asked, “I wonder if President Obama would have attended the funeral of Justice Scalia if it were held in a Mosque?” With dizzying frequency, he trafficked in the demagogic language of dehumanization, of “scum” and “vermin” and “animals” and “enemies of the people.” And then there was “Lock her up!” and “Stand back and stand by.” In 2016, he deployed familiar bigoted tropes, declaring that “Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty.” Over and over, he has glorified brutality, whether it was the desirability of police throwing “thugs” into “the back of a paddy wagon” or a congressional candidate body-slamming a reporter because he dared to ask about health-care policy. (“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my type,” Trump said.) When he heard that MSNBC anchor Ali Velshi had been hit by a rubber bullet during a demonstration in the wake of the death of George Floyd, he called it “a beautiful sight.”

Trump has always dismissed the idea that he has contributed to the division and inflammation of the country’s state of mind. When asked if his language was divisive, he replied, “I don’t think my rhetoric does at all. My rhetoric is very—it brings people together.” And yet he has not hesitated to mock his victims, even when their loved ones were victims of assault. Nancy Pelosi was “crazy,” he said. And when Pelosi’s husband, Paul, was brutalized by a hammer-wielding attacker, he asked, sarcastically, “How’s her husband doing? Anybody know?” The Capitol Hill insurrection, which threatened the lives of Pelosi, Mike Pence, and other political leaders, found its inspiration in the rhetoric of one man.

That language, that lack of empathy, cannot serve as an example or a way forward. It is absolutely right and necessary to denounce in the clearest terms the crime that we witnessed Saturday in Pennsylvania and feel relief that the result was not even worse than it was. At the same time, one hopes for a sensibility and moral temper of the sort that stepped to the microphone in Cleveland, in April, 1968, to reject violence as an instrument of politics or rage and to pay tribute to an avatar of humanity and peace:

Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanish it with a program, nor with a resolution. But we can perhaps remember—even if only for a time—that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short movement of life, that they seek—as we do—nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can. Surely this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our hearts brothers and countrymen once again.

Two months after delivering that speech, Robert Kennedy won the California and South Dakota primaries and had a good chance to defeat Richard Nixon and win the Presidency. He addressed his cheering supporters in the Ambassador Hotel ballroom, in Los Angeles, and then tried to leave the building through a crowded kitchen. A man in his mid-twenties named Sirhan Sirhan approached him, raised a handgun, and fired multiple times. Kennedy died at Good Samaritan Hospital the next day. He was forty-two years old. 


07/15/24 09:32 AM #17255    

 

Jay Shackford

The Nikki Haley Option 

July 15, 2024

 

Donald Trump promises to change the tone of his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, ripping up his typical speech we’ve heard so many times before and replacing it with an address calling for healing the deep wounds of division in the country and national unity at a time of chaos when the America is at a critical turning point.    

 

Behind him and all over the convention hall will be the iconic photo of Donald Trump with blood running down his face, raising his fist defiantly, surrounded by Secret Service agents, and with the American flag waving in a  background of deep blue skies. 

 

If Trump truly wants to change the tone of his campaign filled with hatred and untruths,  he should choose Nikki Haley as his Vice President running mate and promise to govern as a team, giving her an independent voice on all policy and key issues facing the President.   Now that’s a move that could give Trump and insurmountable lead in the race for the presidency.  

 


07/15/24 10:10 AM #17256    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jay, the David Remnick article was very good and hit all the key points. Thanks for posting it. Love, Joanie


07/15/24 03:15 PM #17257    

 

Jay Shackford

Thanks Joanie.  


07/15/24 03:44 PM #17258    

Clifford Elgin

Well, what a day!  Trump's appointed judge in Florida has dismissed all charge against him in the documents case stating that the appointment of a special counsel violates the constition even though the appointment of special counsels goes back to Watergate days.  Of course, this will be appealed but, if it stands, Trump will be given a green light to do whatever he wants.  Just like the courts in mid-1930s Germany.  In addition, Trump has announced that J D Vance as his VP choice so, as far as I'm concerned, it jsut more bad news.  My wife is already talking about leaving the country and, if it weren't for my kids and grandkids, I would be in agreement.


07/15/24 04:52 PM #17259    

 

Jack Mallory

J.D. Vance hasn't ALWAYS been wrong. 
 

“I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler. How's that for discouraging?” 
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/15/jd-vance-55-things-trump-vp-00167882
 


https://x.com/KFILE/status/1410643663609372674

An ass-kissing opportunist, once he sees the Vice-Presidency dangled in front of him, but not wrong.


07/16/24 02:10 AM #17260    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Ooops, JD Vance called Trump "America's Hitler"? I guess that means he contributed to the bullseye on Trump's back. 

Hard to imagine embracing someone who's said those kinds of things about you.......but with DT it's all transactional. 


07/16/24 05:56 AM #17261    

 

Jack Mallory

And clearly with JD it's the same! 

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I suppose it's a sign of how sadly inured to violence my life and the current times have brought me:

When the sniper opened fire, did the Secret Service yell, "Donald Duck!"?

Credit to a similarly inured career firefighter.

 

 

 

 


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