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11/24/24 12:01 PM #17691    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Yes, Jack, which is why voting policy over personality holds up.  Whether Kamala Harris is a lovely lady or Trump 'mean tweets' does not have the relevency that many are prone to believe. Policy affects all demographics.  And, though you're right about the importance of our wallets, that sorry state certainly isn't the only measure of why we vote as we do. Perhaps 80% of the population got it right when they polled that the country was moving in the wrong direction.   Leaving weapons as well as American lives in Afghanistan, following horrendous crime stories of illegal immigrants attacks on American citizens and the liberal revolving door system of leniency, spiked inflation, overcrowded schools, reports of thousands of unaccounted-for immigrating children, unhappy union members, unhappy police, unhappy business owners due to soft crime and inhibiting regulations, waste in government, bloat in government, a failing FBI, a doddering president, two controversial and beyond frightening wars, a new candidate who openly agreed (and openly took part in) every decision made by the doddering president, a shortened campaign period, a refusal to unleash energy reserves, and so much more.  More than empty wallets, an ALL AROUND UNREST gave this election to Trump. That said,  I do miss my manicures. 

Joanie, we will just have to wait and see if your predictions come to pass.  My guess is that some changes will be good and some not good, but why approach with such pessimistic dread?  Can we just hope things will improve with new faces and some course changes?  Like a friend of mine recently remarked, 'the key is to allow the pendulum to swing, but not too far".  As a woman of faith, I like that.


11/24/24 12:58 PM #17692    

 

Jack Mallory

"Leaving weapons as well as American lives in Afghanistan, following horrendous crime stories of illegal immigrants attacks on American citizens and the liberal revolving door system of leniency, spiked inflation, overcrowded schools, reports of thousands of unaccounted-for immigrating children, unhappy union members, unhappy police, unhappy business owners due to soft crime and inhibiting regulations, waste in government, bloat in government, a failing FBI, a doddering president, two controversial and beyond frightening wars, a new candidate who openly agreed (and openly took part in) every decision made by the doddering president, a shortened campaign period, a refusal to unleash energy reserves, and so much more."
 

You lost me here, Nori. A sentence, Miss Monte and Miss Casey taught me, is a grammatical unit that expresses a complete thought, containing a subject and a predicate. Where are the subject and predicate in this string of words? What/where is the completed thought?  
 

Sounds like one of our doddering presidents might have spoken it. Trying for a Trumpian weave? Emulate Hemingway, not Faulkner. 


11/24/24 03:56 PM #17693    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Nori, regarding Climate Change and our efforts, it's not my job to educate you. Look it up yourself. 

I'm not shedding any tears over your missing your mani-pedis. I had 2 manicures in my life. Once for my wedding and once for my son's wedding. Trust me, my life has been just fine without them. I know how to file my own nails and add polish. However, I do regret denying the business to the nice Korean immigrants who seem to operate many nail salons.

I hope someone on the forum can tell me who "the enemy within" is. Does anyone know? Does Trump know? Or is it just anyone who disagrees with him? I'm serious about this. I really want to know and have no idea. 

Also I'll repeat the now irrelevant, moot, yet nagging question -What attacks on Democracy has the Biden/Harris administration committed? Or maybe they're still committing. They are after all still the current administration


11/24/24 06:43 PM #17694    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I agree with Joan...Nori, you are saying all these things about the Biden Administration as if its a failed one. Biden got through a bipartisan inflation reduction act, the Chips act, and so much more. He organized NATO to join together to help Ukraine a country invaded by a brutal dictator Putin. He is hardly doddering. He supports snap and food stamps that Trump plans to get rid of even though so many can't afford to feed their children. You are repeating Trump misinformation about immigrants. The ones who are criminals are far less then the criminals who are native born in the US. The large majority of them are peaceful and hardworking. Our country would take a big hit to get rid of them like Trump wants to do. I have Manuel, our gardener from Quatemala. He is a gem and helps us so much. . Trump called for pulling out of Afghanistan himself....Trump wants to put in charge Tulsi Gabbard who has been investigated for her cozying up to Putin and Assad...Heaven help us if she is the head of National Intelligence.... The reason we can't give Trump a chance is because he has told us what he plans to do and he is following through. He is trying to disband the government. There are experts in every field of the government Nori, food safty, intelligence experts etc, science experts, who Trump wants to fire and put in his sycophants. The one thing he demands is loyalty to himself above all else, not loyaty to the Constitution. He has said such cruel things about immigrants generalizing saying they are vermin and poison the blood of America...This is right out of Mein Kampt. Maya Angelo said when someone tells you what he plans to do believe him. Trump said he didn't know anything about Project 2025 but the people he is trying to put in include the architect of it for Office of Management and Budget. These are dangerous times. Love, Joanie


11/24/24 08:31 PM #17695    

 

Jack Mallory

Thank god we'll have a Secretary of Defense who will keep women like this out of combat assignments in our military!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/23/world/europe/madeleine-riffaud-dead.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


11/25/24 10:49 AM #17696    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Oh I forgot to mention, my daughter-in-law doesn't work for the Climate Change office, she works for the equally useless (according to Trump) Consumer Product Safety Commission which Trump hates and has promised to shut down. In case their title is not suficiently self-explanatory, they're the guys who test products so that they won't kill your grandies. 


11/25/24 12:13 PM #17697    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Joan, that is such an important job that your daughter in law does and of course your son too with his work to help the climate. Yes, its just tragic that Trump thinks you have to drill drill drill and pull out of any climate accords and also gut agencies like food safety...He wants to get rid of all the Government experts that are there to help make sure we are safe in so many areas. These are experts highly trained in their fields who are supposed to be on the Trump chopping board list.. We are in a dangerous time as I have said. Love, Joanie


11/25/24 02:32 PM #17698    

 

Jack Mallory

Eight years ago, satire. Now?


11/25/24 05:55 PM #17699    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Actually, it was the general public who perceived Biden as being doddering, Joanie.  That was the point.  Pertinent & powerful Dems perceived him as doddering after the infamous debate, so much so, that they encouraged him not to run again after polls showed such an egregious drop in confidence. 
Am sorry you will not take this perfect opportunity to share your son's successes with the COP29 group, Joan. You seem so proud of him. Am sure others would also like to know the enormous strides made in climate change by the conference, as well. 
(Footnote: I'll emulate Hemingway when Jay ceases to emulate Michener)

 


11/25/24 07:28 PM #17700    

 

Jack Mallory

Ok, Nori, forget about Hemingway and help out another doddering lib. In the sentence,

"Leaving weapons as well as American lives in Afghanistan, following horrendous crime stories of illegal immigrants attacks on American citizens and the liberal revolving door system of leniency, spiked inflation, overcrowded schools, reports of thousands of unaccounted-for immigrating children, unhappy union members, unhappy police, unhappy business owners due to soft crime and inhibiting regulations, waste in government, bloat in government, a failing FBI, a doddering president, two controversial and beyond frightening wars, a new candidate who openly agreed (and openly took part in) every decision made by the doddering president, a shortened campaign period, a refusal to unleash energy reserves, and so much more."

what is the subject and what is the verb? Is the subject "Leaving weapons"? Is it "illegal immigrant attacks"? "Schools"? "Police"? The first "doddering President" or the second? "Wars"? "Campaign periods"? Is there a verb? HELP! Only trying to understand your point. 

 


11/26/24 07:22 AM #17701    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, yes, Biden had an awful debate night. He looked like he hadn't slept the whole night but he rebounded quickly and gave great interviews post debate, and more importantly he has continued to use everyday left of his Administration to do as much good for the country as he can. He will go down in history as one of the most consequential Presidents in American history for all that he has accomplished for the American people. Love, Joanie


11/26/24 04:32 PM #17702    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Hey Nori, of course I'm proud of my son and his hard work in climate change for almost 10 years. But let's be honest. You don't give a rat's ass about what was accomplished in Azerbaijan. If you really wanted to know, you'd Google it. You just want to troll me. I think we're all used to that from you on this forum as some of us have discussed with each other privately. But as I said before, for me this is personal. It's incredibly graceless and ham-fisted of you to be so sarcastic about a group of dedicated people, including my son, who work for the good of all of us - even you. 

Why do you continue to be so snide and clearly not happy. Like Jay said before, you won. Can't you be a graceful winner? You're about to get everything you wanted (except Mike Pence) so enjoy it. 


11/27/24 10:37 AM #17703    

 

Jack Mallory

​Joan, I think you're right about being trolled. Anyone who posts unspecified claims of attacks on democracy and refuses to name them or provide evidence for them is trolling, not seriously trying to inform. Posting incoherent rants and refusing to clarify is trolling, not contributing to discussion. 
 

Just for the fun of it I've done a quick collection of troll/trolling definitions on-line:

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.

Someone who intentionally posts or comments online to upset, provoke, or antagonize others

Trolling is when someone posts or comments online to 'bait' people, which means deliberately provoking an argument or emotional reaction.

An individual who posts false accusations or inflammatory remarks on social media to promote a cause or to harass someone.

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.


Sound like anyone you know?


11/27/24 06:32 PM #17704    

 

Stephen Hatchett

Couple of things.  We, by dumb luck (i. e. nothing we did, really), ended up getting a terrific educational bump at  a great high school that has changed the trajectory of our lives.  And we, by things we did do, but also by dumb luck are still here to enjoy a time with our families and friends.  When I look around at the world, I know I feel oh-so-very blessed.  I hope, well, heck, I know you do too.  Let's keep paying it forward.  That, I am certain of, is what our BCC teachers would have wanted.  Happy Thanksgiving All !


11/27/24 07:51 PM #17705    

 

Jack Mallory

Very true, Stephen. I was too young and stupid to realize it at the time. But it wasn't completely dumb luck that got me this far. Finding the nearest slight depression in the ground to scrunch your body into or even a narrow tree to hide behind when somebody is shooting at you is a real skill! 

Just got an email suggestion from the ACLU. Take action and sign this petition, both to keep federal inmates on death row from execution and, for an extra plus, to piss off Trump.

https://action.aclu.org/petition/tell-president-biden-commute-row

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The perspective in this shot exaggerates Bodie's size a little, but he's up to nearly 50 lbs. 


 

And outside:


 

He's paying his keep by forcing my mileage up to 3 miles a day or so. 

 

 

 


11/27/24 08:19 PM #17706    

 

Stephen Hatchett

And here's a little Thanksgiving Gift.  My wife sent me this, and I'm passing it on.

https://www.borowitzreport.com/p/wtf-to-be-thankful-for-an-interview?publication_id=2337656&play_audio=true&utm_content=watch_now_button&triedRedirect=true

It concludes with a quote I wrote down to remember:  "There is no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you!"  Will Rogers.


11/27/24 08:55 PM #17707    

 

Jay Shackford

Great quote Stephen.  Happy Thanksgiving everyone.  


11/28/24 06:45 AM #17708    

 

Jack Mallory

I've thought how thankful late night comedians and political cartoonists much have been after the election, for another four years of inspiration. But of course that's true after any election!

And nice to hear the opening focus on dogs in the Borowitz clip. Bodie is thankfully chewing on an old, retired slipper of Deb's right now. 
 

HCR gives us her usual historical take on the holiday.

 

Thanksgiving is the quintessential American holiday…but not for the reasons we generally remember.

The Pilgrims and the Wampanoags did indeed share a harvest celebration together at Plymouth in fall 1621, but that moment got forgotten almost immediately, overwritten by the long history of the settlers’ attacks on their Indigenous neighbors.

In 1841 a book that reprinted the early diaries and letters from the Plymouth colony recovered the story of that three-day celebration in which ninety Indigenous Americans and the English settlers shared fowl and deer. This story of peace and goodwill among men who by the 1840s were more often enemies than not inspired Sarah Josepha Hale, who edited the popular women’s magazine Godey’s Lady's Book, to think that a national celebration could ease similar tensions building between the slave-holding South and the free North. She lobbied for legislation to establish a day of national thanksgiving.

And then, on April 12, 1861, southern soldiers fired on Fort Sumter, a federal fort in Charleston Harbor, and the meaning of a holiday for giving thanks changed.

Southern leaders wanted to destroy the United States of America and create their own country, based not in the traditional American idea that “all men are created equal,” but rather in its opposite: that some men were better than others and had the right to enslave their neighbors. In the 1850s, convinced that society worked best if a few wealthy men ran it, southern leaders had bent the laws of the United States to their benefit, using it to protect enslavement above all.

In 1860, northerners elected Abraham Lincoln to the presidency to stop rich southern enslavers from taking over the government and using it to cement their own wealth and power. As soon as he was elected, southern leaders pulled their states out of the Union to set up their own country. After the firing on Fort Sumter, Lincoln and the fledgling Republican Party set out to end the slaveholders’ rebellion.

The early years of the war did not go well for the U.S. By the end of 1862, the armies still held, but people on the home front were losing faith. Leaders recognized the need both to acknowledge the suffering and to keep Americans loyal to the cause. In November and December, seventeen state governors declared state thanksgiving holidays.

New York governor Edwin Morgan’s widely reprinted proclamation about the holiday reflected that the previous year “is numbered among the dark periods of history, and its sorrowful records are graven on many hearthstones.” But this was nonetheless a time for giving thanks, he wrote, because “the precious blood shed in the cause of our country will hallow and strengthen our love and our reverence for it and its institutions…. Our Government and institutions placed in jeopardy have brought us to a more just appreciation of their value.”

The next year, Lincoln got ahead of the state proclamations. On July 15 he declared a national day of Thanksgiving, and the relief in his proclamation was almost palpable. After two years of disasters, the Union army was finally winning. Bloody, yes; battered, yes; but winning. At Gettysburg in early July, Union troops had sent Confederates reeling back southward. Then, on July 4, Vicksburg had finally fallen to U. S. Grant’s army. The military tide was turning.

President Lincoln set Thursday, August 6, 1863, for the national day of Thanksgiving. On that day, ministers across the country listed the signal victories of the U.S. Army and Navy in the past year and reassured their congregations that it was only a matter of time until the United States government put down the southern rebellion. Their predictions acknowledged the dead and reinforced the idea that their sacrifice had not been in vain.

In October 1863, President Lincoln declared a second national day of Thanksgiving. In the past year, he declared, the nation had been blessed.

In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, he wrote, Americans had maintained their laws and their institutions and had kept foreign countries from meddling with their nation. They had paid for the war as they went, refusing to permit the destruction to wreck the economy. Instead, as they funded the war, they had also advanced farming, industry, mining, and shipping. Immigrants had poured into the country to replace men lost on the battlefield, and the economy was booming. And Lincoln had recently promised that the government would end slavery once and for all. The country, he predicted, “with a large increase of freedom,” would survive, stronger and more prosperous than ever. The president invited Americans “in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea, and those who are sojourning in foreign lands” to observe the last Thursday of November as a day of Thanksgiving.

In 1863, November’s last Thursday fell on the 26th. On November 19, Lincoln delivered an address at the dedication of a national cemetery at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. He reached back to the Declaration of Independence for the principles on which he called for Americans to rebuild the severed nation:

​​”Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”

Lincoln urged the crowd to take up the torch those who fought at Gettysburg had laid down. He called for them to “highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

The following year, Lincoln proclaimed another day of Thanksgiving, this time congratulating Americans that God had favored them not only with immigration but also with the emancipation of formerly enslaved people. “Moreover,” Lincoln wrote, “He has been pleased to animate and inspire our minds and hearts with fortitude, courage, and resolution sufficient for the great trial of civil war into which we have been brought by our adherence as a nation to the cause of freedom and humanity, and to afford to us reasonable hopes of an ultimate and happy deliverance from all our dangers and afflictions.”

In 1861, Americans went to war to keep a cabal from taking control of the government and turning it into an oligarchy. The fight against that rebellion seemed at first to be too much for the nation to survive. But Americans rallied and threw their hearts into the cause on the battlefields even as they continued to work on the home front for a government that defended democracy and equality before the law.

And in 1865, at least, they won.

Happy Thanksgiving.

https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/november-27-2024?r=asnwm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email


11/28/24 06:49 AM #17709    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Wow Jack, Bodie does look big. I'm glad he is getting you to walk 3 miles/day...He is good for your health. I have been trying to walk one mile a day most days. Bodie is really darling.

Stephen thanks for the posts and I started the video and its really great. I will have to finish it later as I am the chief cook here today for Thanksgiving.

Thanks Jay for the Thanksgiving wishes and thanks to everyone for the good wishes. I wish the same for all of you. Enjoy good food and family and friends.

Kamala said that we should never forget our power and that we still have it. Love to all, Joanie


11/28/24 09:33 AM #17710    

 

Glen Hirose

    Adirondacks Thanksgiving Dinners 2024 ...

   Feel free to add your own hashtag...


11/28/24 11:38 AM #17711    

 

Janet Lowry (Deal)

Even in these crazy times, I have so much to be thankful for: a warm house, a couple of good dogs, plenty of gluten free eats in the kitchen, three grown sons who are productive citizens and in good health, but what I really want to mention here is my good luck in being part of the BCC class of 1964. And this forum, with all its fascinating contributors, has been a lifeline to the world outside of my weird little corner of WV. 

I was meant to be in the class of '65,  but the class of '64 has been wonderful.  It's the first wave of Boomers, we were the tip of the tsunami, and I've always been super aware of that. I wished I could have been born in '46, like most of the class. I thought that cool number inversion was meant to be. I still can't imagine having been in any other class.

So I'm thankful for all of you and for this forum. I wish everyone reading would chime in from time to time. I'm slow to contribute mainly because before I get my thoughts together someone else has already posted what I was thinking and expressed it better than I would have. I don't want to be redundant.

Thanks, everyone. 

 


11/28/24 01:10 PM #17712    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Glen, love the delicious Thanksgiving food.  
Janet thanks for your great post and 
thanks to everyone who has contributed to the forum.  Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving   Love to all, Joanie❤️❤️❤️ Hope we can all be with family and friends on Thanksgiving. My family are coming and I have to cook up a storm  Nori hope your son joins you  ❤️

 

 


 

 


11/28/24 06:40 PM #17713    

 

Jack Mallory

Thanksgiving morning saw the beginning of daylong precipitation, starting with the new climate change normal "wintry mix" of rain, sleet and snow. A drive out to the coast in a drenching downpour for dinner with brother Bruce and 20+/- others including half a dozen grandkids, nieces, and nephews. A similar drive home in a dark drenching downpour. But thankful for family and friends and a life in which to appreciate them, you all included!


Don't I look thankful?


11/29/24 02:40 PM #17714    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, you and Bodie look so thankful...such a nice picture. Love, Joanie


11/30/24 06:00 AM #17715    

 

Jack Mallory

Nori, you say that we should decide our votes around policy rather than personality. When one's personality is such that their mom says this about them, perhaps it's a clue to the kinds of policies they might impose:

“On behalf of all the women (and I know it’s many) you have abused in some way, I say … get some help and take an honest look at yourself,”

And,“I have no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around and uses women for his own power and ego. You are that man (and have been for years) and as your mother, it pains me and embarrasses me to say that, but it is the sad, sad truth.” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/29/us/politics/pete-hegseth-mother-email.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

 
Hegseth would be the head of a department in which about a quarter of a million women work, military and civilian. Sexual harassment, and assault, are a serious problem in the armed forces. You and I, as citizens in a democracy, would be responsible for making Hegseth the overseer of people he has a long track record of abusing. And, i
n the military, adultery is a criminal act under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Not a great personality to put in charge of policy, perhaps?

Your opinion?

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PS--everyone pass this on to your kids as a reminder to be nice to mom!


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