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11/30/24 07:19 AM #17716    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Wow Jack...coming from Hegseth's own mother, that is a powerful statement...Also powerful why not to hire him to head the Department of Defense.

Its not surprising Trump has picked multiple abusers to run the government as he is one too. Love, Joanie


11/30/24 11:37 AM #17717    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Some of you may remember Kati Marton who was in class of '65 at BCC. Her sister Julie was in our class. She and I became friends many years later in Philadelphia. Here's an opinion piece she just wrote for NY Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/30/opinion/trump-orban-hungary-journalists-persecution.html


11/30/24 01:09 PM #17718    

 

Jack Mallory

Thank you for posting that, Joan. I remember both Kati and Julie; my first "sort of a girlfriend" before I moved to Bethesda had been a Hungarian refugee, who taught me the sad but brave recent history of Hungary. Please pass my remembrances on to them if you're in touch with Kati. It must be unimaginably difficult to live in the shadow cast by Trump, for those who grew up seeing autocracy coming in their homelands. 


12/01/24 08:29 PM #17719    

 

Jack Mallory

Tacky at best, but both Clinton and Trump pardoned family members. 

Woud have been nice if Biden had commuted all those federal death penalties at the same time. 
 


12/01/24 09:13 PM #17720    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

i don't think its tackey. No one else would have been charged for what Hunter Biden was charged for ..He paid back taxes and had the gun for week and never used it. Biden can pardon people for all sorts of things and certainly an unfair charge of his son is worthy of a pardon.The prosecution of Hunter Biden was political.  Love, Joanie


12/02/24 06:04 AM #17721    

 

Jack Mallory

Sorry, Joanie, but I've got to ask you to back up your claims just like I ask Nori or John. If Hunter Biden's convictions and guilty pleas were unfair or politically motivated, what is the evidence for this?
 

In 2020, Biden promised to work to eliminate the federal death penalty. He did nothing. Now, while his son is worthy of a pardon for crimes that might cost him a few years in prison, 40 inmates wait to be executed. In the last six months of his first term, Trump oversaw the execution of 13 federal prisoners. 
 

I suspect this pardon will motivate Trump and provide him with the political cover to pardon the January 6th insurrectionists as promised.  


12/02/24 07:29 AM #17722    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Hi Jack, Here is a link with Eric Holder talking about the rarity to bring a case like the one regarding Hunter Biden by prosecutors. Love, Joanie   By the way the sentence for Hunter Biden was up to 17 years in prison...Also, Biden still have time to do more commutations.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/12/08/hunter-biden-eric-holder-reaction-sot-lcl-vpx.cnn


12/02/24 09:50 AM #17723    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Hi again Jack...Just in case by stating that Hunter Biden could get 17 years for one of the prosecutions without sending documentation is an issue, here is the information about the sentencing. One prosecution of Hunter can get him 17 years in prison and the other 25 years in prison. Yes, its unlikely that the sentence would be that severe but they are still heavy sentences, not just necessarily a few years as you stated. Love, Joanie

https://apnews.com/article/biden-hunter-biden-pardon-son-9307d6bade834df77c265cae7d3b7c25


12/02/24 10:19 AM #17724    

 

Jack Mallory

No evidence offered in that Holder clip, Joanie, just more assertions of political motivation for the prosecutions, which resulted in a jury conviction in one trial and guilty pleas in the other. The pardon just kind of reeks of family favoritism rather than justice. 

And the tackiness is exacerbated by Biden's repeated denials, while he was running for President, that he would pardon Hunter--and then, after withdrawing from the race and after Harris lost, pardoning him. 

I've never had the necessity nor the power to pardon my kids for anything criminal. Rather than let a son with serious personal issues go to prison, which would seem likely to exacerbate the issues, if I were President I might very likely pardon him. But I wouldn't be surprised if people found it tacky. 

And I hope I'd think about commuting federal death sentences, given the history of the death penalty in the US. 
 

I am concerned that Trump will use Biden's pardon for his son to justify pardoning the rioters--while carrying out executions. 
 

 

 


12/02/24 11:15 AM #17725    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I respectfully disagree with you Jack. Holder was the top law enforcement officer under Obama and his saying this case wouldn't normally be brought for other similar drug addicted  people with the same offenses carries weight for me. As for Trump, he needs no excuse to pardon the so called Jan 6 hostages. He doesn't play by the rules as you know and has already said before Biden's pardon he would pardon them. Love, Joanie


12/02/24 11:49 AM #17726    

 

Jack Mallory

Disagreement duly and respectfully noted, Joanie!


12/02/24 11:50 AM #17727    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Hi Jack, right after I wrote this, I saw your previous message so this message I could have not written...We can move on...

Jack, One more thing. Here is an legal expert on gun crimes stating this would NOT be a crime normally prosecuted...Anyway, I guess we just don't agree on this...My point is that Hunter Biden was unfairly targeted for having a gun while addicted that was never used in a crime. Hunter's lawyer Trump has been talking about getting the Biden family and Hunter would have been targeted over and over again looking for more things.  Trump has been trying to put in people who would be bent on doing his bidding. So, Hunter is in greater danger now that Trump got in.  Love, Joanie

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/23/politics/fact-check-hunter-biden-plea-kodak-black/index.html


12/02/24 04:16 PM #17728    

 

Jack Mallory

Here's some interesting context for Biden's pardon of his son. The link to the full article is at the end.

"How does Hunter's pardon fit into Biden's clemency record?

"Biden has pardoned 25 individuals and commuted 132 sentences during his tenure, according to Justice Department data. He has granted clemency to many more, including entire groups.

"In 2022, he took executive action to pardon the more than 6,500 people convicted of simple marijuana possession under federal law and D.C. statute, which he expanded last year. Earlier this year, he issued a blanket pardon to LGBTQ+ service membersremoved from the military over their sexual orientation or gender identity.

"Even so, Eisen says there is much more Biden could do before his term ends — including addressing the more than 8,000 petitions for clemency pending before his administration.

"The Brennan Center, which describes itself as a nonpartisan law and policy organization, is among the groups urging the president to commute all death sentences to life without parole.

"Last month, more than 60 members of Congress wrote Biden a letter asking him to use his authority to 'help broad classes of people and cases, including the elderly and chronically ill, those on death row, people with unjustified sentencing disparities, and women who were punished for defending themselves against their abusers.'

"While Biden's most recent — and most personal — pardon is in the spotlight, Eisen hopes he will take this opportunity to afford the same grace to many others who are already serving what she calls excessive sentences.

"'President Biden has until January 20 to provide clemency for thousands of individuals who are appropriate clemency candidates who are sitting in federal prison right now,' Eisen says. 'So there's plenty of time.'" 
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/02/nx-s1-5213251/hunter-biden-presidential-pardon-explained

One might hope that Biden would continue judicious use of pardons and other forms of clemency until his term is over.


12/02/24 08:11 PM #17729    

 

Stephen Hatchett

i have to suspect that a real context for that  oh-so-broad Hunter Biden pardon,  which nobody seems to mention, is Trump's threats of retribution against his perceived "enemies".   The softest Biden target would be Hunter -- for inflicting maximum pain on the whole family.  Now Hunter is armored against whatever federal charges could be thrown at him.  Perhaps, even, some retribution plans were discovered.  But that is a sort of conspiracy theory until debunked or proven.


12/02/24 08:54 PM #17730    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Stephen, I agree with you. I didn't perhaps express it as well as you did, but President Biden is more and more aware of the plans Trump and company have to go after Hunter Biden indefinitely. They are a cruel bunch. Its not the same when President Biden first talked of a pardon. Then there was the prospect of a plea deal where Hunter wouldn't be prosecuted and also Biden thought he had a good chance to be President...so things changed to influence his decision. Love, Joanie


12/02/24 09:28 PM #17731    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Here is why Joe Biden pardoned his son.

Statement from President Joe Biden

Today, I signed a pardon for my son Hunter. From the day I took office, I said I would not interfere with the Justice Department’s decision-making, and I kept my word even as I have watched my son being selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted. Without aggravating factors like use in a crime, multiple purchases, or buying a weapon as a straw purchaser, people are almost never brought to trial on felony charges solely for how they filled out a gun form. Those who were late paying their taxes because of serious addictions, but paid them back subsequently with interest and penalties, are typically given non-criminal resolutions. It is clear that Hunter was treated differently. 
 
The charges in his cases came about only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated them to attack me and oppose my election. Then, a carefully negotiated plea deal, agreed to by the Department of Justice, unraveled in the court room – with a number of my political opponents in Congress taking credit for bringing political pressure on the process. Had the plea deal held, it would have been a fair, reasonable resolution of Hunter’s cases.   
 
No reasonable person who looks at the facts of Hunter’s cases can reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because he is my son – and that is wrong. There has been an effort to break Hunter – who has been five and a half years sober, even in the face of unrelenting attacks and selective prosecution. In trying to break Hunter, they’ve tried to break me – and there’s no reason to believe it will stop here. Enough is enough. 
 
For my entire career I have followed a simple principle: just tell the American people the truth. They’ll be fair-minded. Here’s the truth: I believe in the justice system, but as I have wrestled with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this process and it led to a miscarriage of justice – and once I made this decision this weekend, there was no sense in delaying it further. I hope Americans will understand why a father and a President would come to this decision. 
 

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12/03/24 08:20 PM #17732    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Congratulations to the people of South Korea who have shown us how it's done when an autocratic president goes too far. An excellent road map for us to follow in the next 4 years


12/04/24 05:46 AM #17733    

 

Jack Mallory

Yes, Joan. A lesson to all constitutional democracies: a legislature that stands up to an aspiring autocrat, a population willing to go into the streets to resist, a media that refuses to acquiese, and an executive who finally abides by the constitution. I would hope to see our constitutional democracy function as well in similar circumstances. 

*********

Read this after I wrote that:

 

South Koreans Stood Up for Their Democracy

 

Editorial Board Member

 

At first glance, the imposition of martial law in South Korea on Tuesday appeared to be yet another ominous sign for democracies around the world. President Yoon Suk Yeol suspended “all political activities” for the first time since the country was a dictatorship in the 1980s. He claimed that it was the only way to save it from “the despicable pro-North Korean anti-state forces that are plundering the freedom and happiness of our people.”

It didn’t pass the smell test. Sure, North Korea is a threat, but it has always been a threat. Yoon, who is deeply unpopular, has been locked in an intractable political dispute with the opposition, which has blocked his budget, investigated his wife for corruption and attempted a flurry of impeachments. It may be hard to imagine a country more polarized than the United States, but South Korea fits the bill.

But Yoon’s effort turned into a victory for the South Korean people. Protesters pushed back. Lawmakers voted unanimously to lift martial law, with some of them reportedly climbing fences to get back into the National Assembly building to vote. Even Han Dong-hoon, the leader of Yoon’s conservative People Power Party, said it was “wrong” to impose martial law and vowed to help stop it.

It worked. By early Wednesday in Seoul, Yoon was forced to back down and announced that he would rescind the order.

It was inspiring, and crucial, because in the absence of international pressure, domestic opposition will become all that stands in the way of the dismantling of democratic norms. In the past, a U.S. ally might have feared attracting harsh words or consequences from Washington for taking such an undemocratic action. This episode suggests that that’s not the case anymore. The State Department had a tepid response, saying only that the decision to impose martial law was “concerning” and that disputes should be resolved peacefully and according to the rule of law.

Yoon was already looking ahead to the Trump administration, which is far more likely to turn a blind eye to strongmen who use undemocratic means to quash the opposition. The South Korean Embassy in Washington has already hired Mercury Public Affairs, a lobbying firm associated with the incoming White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles, according to The Korea Herald.

People who are trying to preserve their own democracies can’t count on the U.S. government to come to their rescue anymore, if they ever could. But the protesters in Seoul have just shown that if enough ordinary people fight for democratic values, those values will endure.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/26/opinion/thepoint/south-korea-martial-law-democracy?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


12/04/24 03:59 PM #17734    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

In reality Joan, was SO  hoping to read and understand your take on your son's group accomplishments from YOUR perspective and not the myriad of articles online.  Like Pete Hegseth's mom, there is no better perspecitve than a mom who knows her son better (or as well as) anyone else on the planet. After reading Bjorn Lomborg's book, "False Alarm", I was hoping you could provide different insight into the issue.  And, I actually do care. But, hey, if you're not comfortable, no biggie..

Jack, I couldn't agree more about the lack of evidence supporting Biden's maintaining his son had been wrongly dealt with.  To pardon is certainly the president's perogative (& I have little problem with that alone), but if Hunter was so abused, why didn't his dad step in and point to whomever was the abuser? No one was fired or even named.  Also, the unusually "sweeping'  pardon, covering a decade, leads one to believe that this wayward son may have committed other crimes against our country.  I do hope our new administration gets to the bottom of any Biden wrongdoing...not for revenge particularly...but to see that this abuse of power never happens again.  If Joe pardons his brother on the last day of office, there will certainly be backlash as to why his bro received big bucks along with the rest of them.

Further speculation: if this had been Trump, he would have begun his campaign by saying he would pardon his son, (I believe) because he doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. Joe Biden, on the other hand, lied time and time again about his NOT pardoning his son, even when many knew he was lying.  Take it or leave it, Trump's authenticity may have been part of why he won the presidency again.  Democrat or Republican, Americans don't like being lied to. 


12/04/24 04:56 PM #17735    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, Your take on Biden is not what I think really happened. At the time he said he wouldn't pardon his son, there was expected to be a plea deal where serving time would not be on the table. He didn't lie. He intended not to pardon his son. However as time went by it became apparent that this was an unfair targeting of Hunter. Nori, anyone who had a gun for a week who was a drug addict and never used it in a crime would typically NOT BE PROSECUTED unless his name was Hunber Biden...Anyway with a drug problem who paid back all his back taxes would typically NOT BE PROSECUTED..Also when Biden said he wouldn't pardon his son, he expected to win the election again but with Trump winning and screaming all the trime about retribution to all his perceived enemies and especially the Biden family, the perspective on a pardon changed. Hunter would have been hounded and hounded and hounded like he has been right along when had he not had the name Hunter Biden he would not have been. Eric Holder who was the highest law enforcement agent in the country said that this case would never have been brought. David Weiss had a similar case that is rare but awhile back and did not go forward to prosecute...Its also a bit surprising about the criticism of Joe Biden and the pardon when your guy Trump has said he would pardon the January 6 insurrectionists. We saw pictures of them attacking the police and great harm was done that day. This is no comparison to Trump. He has already pardoned hardened criminals like Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn and his father in law Kushner who he had the nerve to make Ambassador of France. Please put things in a bit of perpsective. Love, Joanie


12/04/24 05:03 PM #17736    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

HI Nori, Here is Eric Holder talking about Hunter Biden's prosecution...Love, Joanie

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/12/08/hunter-biden-eric-holder-reaction-sot-lcl-vpx.cnn


12/04/24 06:26 PM #17737    

 

Jack Mallory

Nori, if by "Trump's authenticity" you mean to say that he is not only a blatant liar but a shameless liar you are dead on. That some, many, even most Americans don't like being lied to could certainly account for why most voters didn't vote for Trump. But his demonstrated, evidenced, voluminous track record for false statements has been irrefutably demonstrated. There is no accounting of falsehoods by Joe Biden that approaches Trump's record of mendacity. 


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

 

For those who can't get through the WaPo pay wall, Wikipedia offers an almost unreadably long and meticulously evidenced list of Trump's falsehoods at:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Anyone who voted for Trump has little use for truth.


12/04/24 08:31 PM #17738    

 

Stephen Hatchett

Amen, Joan.  Today's "Pass It On" quote, from Garrison Keilor (sp?) was: “Sometimes there is nothing you can do, and in those times, you must do something anyway.”    The people and legislators of South Korea exemplified that.

It may, soon enough, be our turn next.   But I am gratified that all our military leadership, up through our Joint Chiefs, took a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution, above any order taking.  And I do believe they will do that.

The Hunter Biden business has all along been a manufactured distraction.  Nothing more to say about it.  REAL issues face us and other people all oer the globe.


12/04/24 09:49 PM #17739    

 

Jay Shackford

Don’t Fuck with Mom

 

One thing for sure can be said about old Bone Spurs’ cabinet and other top Administration picks, “Don’t fuck with mom.”  Wow!  Poor Pete Hegseth discovered that fact too late in his short life to save his nomination.   

 

Read her email and there’s no way you can say that Pete is in any way qualified to be the city’s dog-catcher — much less the nation’s Secretary of Defense — the guy with his hands on the nuclear codes and in charge of a $900 billion-plus budget and 3 million service men and women working around the clock and globe.   Pete is toast! Trump will send him a short Matt Gaetz type of email tomorrow —“You don’t have the votes — get lost.” 

 

Next comes Tulsi — with her one-on-one meetings and love letters with Syria’s strongman Bashar al-Assad and Russia’s Putin, you can imagine the sort of scrutiny she will undergo before Senate Foreign Relations and/or Intelligence committees if her nomination gets that far.  

 

Then we can dump RFK Jr.  The late Ethel Kennedy, junior’s Mom, is long gone to comment on her son’s nomination, but all of his sisters and brothers (think he had 11) and most of his cousins and second cousins for a total of more than 30 all signed a letter when he was running for President saying RFK Jr. was grossly unqualified to hold any high office in the U.S. government.  

 

Once that’s done, we can go after Kash Patel.  Where do these guys and gals come from?   

 

What’s next?   Who knows?  But we do know from Trump’s first term in office that:

 

  • He likes campaigning (it’s competitive) a lot more than governing (it’s hard work); 
  • He likes to bully, berate and belittle any one— foreign or domestic —  he thinks is standing in his way;
  • He cheats in golf (his one true love) just like he does in business, romance and running the country; 
  • He govern’s and claims his power on two basic principles: instilling fear in his opponents or just wearing them down to the point where they just give up.

The next six months will be critical.  We can’t give in to fear or give up. It will require the loyal opposition (Democrats and others) to quit whining about the election Instead, we need  to mobilize our forces and start mapping out a plan to oppose a once-in-a-century madman from disbanding the Constitution, destroying the economy by deporting millions of immigrants, imposing across-the-board tariffs and other crazy economic policies that he has absolutely no understanding about, cancelling recent climate change policies to further pollute the planet perhaps to the point of no return, shredding rather than strengthening our health care system and replacing the “Pledge of Allegiance” with the Lord’s prayer.   

 

On President Joe Biden’s pardon of his son, I say, “Hell yes.”  He did what any good and caring father would do for his son or daughter.  Besides that, with Trump threatening to nominate Kash Patel as FBI Director and a “yes woman” who will do his bidding as his Attorney General, Hunter Biden would be facing years of jail time for a relatively minor charge.  He’s suffered enough. Let him go.  And don’t forget Trump’s pardons at the end of his first four years (Roger Stone, Michael Flynn and Steve Bannon, among others)— all those crooks who remained loyal and quiet during Trump’s impeachment inquiries.  

 

But I do have some good news for Nori, who lives near Rehoboth Beach, DE.   As my GOP buddies tell me, Trump is already designing the first detention camp to house and detain thousands of illegal immigrants rounded up during his first months in office.  The site of the first camp designed much like Dacha (the first Nazi concentration camp on the outskirts of Munich) will be in eastern Delaware where the land is cheap and its within “spitting distance” of Joe Biden’s beach house.  

 

 

 

 

 


12/05/24 05:38 AM #17740    

 

Jack Mallory

A concentr . . I mean detention camp near Nori?! Maybe they'll let the inmates out on work furlough, some of them will do nails cheap!


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