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12/05/24 02:59 PM #17741    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jay, that was a great summation of what's going on.  I agree with your key points and those of Joan, Jack and Stephen.  We do have the South Korean people as an example. We the people have power in numbers to resist and fight for democracy.  Trump is picking for the most part people who want to destroy the agency they are picked to run. I hope the Senate republicans will stand up to Trump and do the right thing. It's encouraging they wouldn't vote for Gaetz appear to agree with Hegseth's mother about her son. I pray they nix Gabbard and Kash Patel too.  Love, Joanie


12/06/24 09:05 AM #17742    

 

John Smeby

I haven't wasted my time reading your continued trashing of conservative beliefs in America, but let me say point blank that conservatives vs. Socialist far left beliefs WON on November 5, 2024. Please keep that in mind because so many MORE Americans voted for Republican candidates on this election. They understand better now that your anti-American beliefs are contrary to the way they want to live. I voted a straight Republican ballot and I am very proud of that. I can see through your hatred for America and the desire for the republican party to take us forward on a path of common sense. Again, if you want communism, take a trip to Havana (where I have visited), or anywhere in Cuba and turn on a light switch and realize that no lights come on!!! Go to a Government grocery store and try and find more than one choice for a loaf of bread. Yes, there is whole shelves of white bread, but nothing else. 


12/06/24 09:47 AM #17743    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Sorry John that you lump us as people who hate America.  America is a place free for all opinions, not just yours.  We are not saying you shouldn't live here. We are not against all republicans but yes many of us think Trump wants to undo democracy. He wants to go after people who disagree with him with prosecutions and dismantle agencies that protect us like experts in food safety, etc. Democracy is all about your opinions and others being able to be expressed freely, without fear that we will be prosecuted for free speech. Also, close to half the country voted for Harris so I assume in the name of Democracy you don't want to throw us all out of the country.  Autocracies want to get rid of people who disagree with them. Love, Joanie


12/06/24 10:07 AM #17744    

 

Jack Mallory

At times like this, the immortal words of Mr. Bryant come back to me: "Twaddle."

John--How can Trump run for President over and over and over again (2016, 2020, 2024) and NEVER get half the voters to vote for him? Every time he runs, most American voters vote for somebody else. Common sense? Don't like pussy-grabbing? More than half of the voters are commies, or idiots like me? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin


12/06/24 10:37 AM #17745    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Hahaha. Jack!  One can only hope the inmates are let out! :):)

You are so right about Trump lies but the country knows Trump lies and he makes no bones about it.  It is the divide that Dems have help create which professes to be above the lowly fray of the Republicans.  The elitist, 'holier than thou', self righteous arrogance that the press and Dem leaders have smugly put forth, which makes even Democrats cringe with these "nobody is above the law" blatant lies committed by Biden.  THAT lack of authenticity and seeming hypocrisy irks people and yes, I believe played a part in the election.  Whether it's Obama's "sermon" to young black men (as if they are a monolith) or Kamala's eyerolls during the debate, or Michelle Obama's "when they go low, we go high" (really?), it screams hypocrisy. I believe it thwarted Harris in 2020 and hurt her this election year. So, maybe there WERE personality reasons, as well as policy.  This past election may or may not be a full mandate for Trump but then there are more registered Dem voters than GOP voters in the country, AND he managed to win the electoral college vote, the popular vote, the Senate and the House, so maybe authenticity did play a roll.  For the record, many of us remember how the Dems hung together to keep the biggest pussy grabber ever in the WH, to remain in office. Just sayin


12/06/24 08:27 PM #17746    

 

Stephen Hatchett

John,   Forget politics for the moment; there are some things that unite us.  Who, and what is that fella/gal on your shoulder? (or have I missed an earlier message? -- I admit to being a little in and out).   Intelligent pets have been a bit of a fascination of mine since forever.  I've only had dogs and cats and been amazed at their levels of sentience and caring. When I was only 3 and had to go live with an aunt and uncle while my mom spent a year recovering from TB, I was "adopted" by a really great cat that somehow knew what this little guy needed.  I've often thought of trying to get an african gray parrot. My wife's favorite uncle (great uncle)  had a very well loved  monkey with all kinds of fun stories to tell about him.  (bit of an escape artist apparently among other things).   Is there a story to tell?


12/06/24 11:03 PM #17747    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Stephen, I had to respond to your mention of an African Grey parrot. We've had one as a family member since he was 6 weeks old. He's now 33 years old. He's terrific. He talks when he feels like it. - "Honey, I'm home",  "voila", "Good morning", good night", and the names of every family member. He makes many many sounds some of which we're ok with (phone rings, microwave oven noises, door squeaks, toilet seat lifts) and others we're not so fond of (sneezes, nose blowing, farts, swearing). But he's a great companion and is very integrated into our family. If I had it to do over again I'm not so sure I'm in favor of caged birds. But ours is only in his cage at night, spending all day on various perches inside and outside the house. We acquired him when my 10 year old son was pleading with us. My son is now 40 and Sherlock, the parrot will soon be moving to DC to live with my son and his new family. I don't recommend your getting one now as they live for up to 50 years. But you would have loved having one. 


12/07/24 11:04 AM #17748    

 

Jack Mallory

Can't get 'em ('em is the owl's preferred gender-neutral pronoun) to sit on my shoulder, but look who's back behind the house again! Looks like (?) the same owl as a couple of years ago, certainly on exactly the same branch. 
 

Shot from my deck.


Shot out my bathroom window, just like last time!

Somehow I suspect it wouldn't make a good pet. Certainly not in conjunction with little kitties. 
 


12/07/24 01:28 PM #17749    

 

Jack Mallory

John seems concerned that under Cuba's communist economic system nowhere in the country do light switches function and he saw only one brand of bread on government market shelves. Cuba ranks 138 out of 222 in GDP in the CIA World Factbook. https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/real-gdp-per-capita/country-comparison/

 

In the capitalist United States, ranked 14th wealthiest country in the world, more than 42% of cancer patients lose their entire life savings within two years of being diagnosed with cancer. Thank Smith we're capitalists! https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(18)30509-6/abstract


12/07/24 02:18 PM #17750    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

 

Thanks for your posts.  Jack the owl shots are great and Joan what a sweet story about your long lived talking parrot. Stephen, discussing animals might be a politics calmer. 
Nori you talk of the elitist Democratjc party.  You much have on blinders to not notice that Musk helped buy the election for Trump putting in 250 million dollars of his own money for Trump and Nori haven't you noticed the slew of millionaires and billionaires Trump is hiring like Musk and Vivak and so many more. He plans to cut taxes Nori for the wealthy while taking away snap and food stamps for the poor that the Democrats support. They also are talking of cutting entitlements. I think you should rethink who the elitists are. Love, Joanie.    


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


12/07/24 02:53 PM #17751    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, I also want to say that your gleeful comments that Biden says noone is above the law and now has pardoned his son Hunter doesn't pass the hypocrisy test or the smell test. Circumstances had changed regarding Joe Biden pardoning his son...Its really a hoot to single him out when Trumps lies so much everyday that the fact checkers can't even write the lies down fast enough!  I find it somewhat surprising that you and many other loyal Trump supporters are quick to criticize the Biden administration but are tone deaf to Trump's lies and deceits and felonies, including sexual assault to E. Jean Carroll...It just convinces me that people believe what they want to believe. Almost half the people voted for Harris so Trump has no mandate and we that care about Democracy are the quiet resistence because we want this country to survive and not be taken over by authoritarianism. Russia is very happy with Trump's picks so far. Love, Joanie


12/08/24 12:14 PM #17752    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Hey Mr. Smeby, for someone who has not wasted any time reading the “trashing of conservative beliefs” that you imagine to be on the forum, you have a lot to say about what you imagine is being said. I’d love you to tell us what “anti-American” beliefs you have read on the forum. Where have you seen anyone show “hatred for America”? Where have you seen anyone suggesting we want communism for our country? I’m sorry, but I have to tell you that we can love America even though we disagree with you. There’s no monopoly on patriotism. And as has been pointed out before to Nori, you seem awfully angry for someone who WON. Why aren’t you just enjoying your victory? I’m guessing the hatred and retribution Trump has promised can’t be turned off by simply winning. Sit back, relax, have a beer and watch what you voted for unfold in all its conservative glory. 

PS Nori, I laughed out loud when I read your outrage towards Biden for lying about pardoning his son! Hey, I thought it was a bad idea for him to ever promise not to pardon him. A big mistake. But when did you find religion about liars??? You say "Americans don't like being lied to" I would say apparently 77,183,599 of them don't mind at all.  

Oh Mr Smeby, one tiny detail you may have missed. Of 151,947,453 total votes cast in the 2024 presidential election, Trump won by  2,419,745. That's 2.5 million. Maybe not as huge a margin as you" imagine". To put it another way, that's a win by 1.6%. it's a victory, but I wouldn't call that a landslide nor a mandate. 

https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false


12/08/24 02:54 PM #17753    

 

Jack Mallory

Well said, Joan. Another way to describe the popular vote outcome (still being tallied) is that most Americans wanted and voted for someone other than Trump as President. Hardly a mandate for his policies. 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-president.html

As for Smeby's baseless charges of "communism," "hatred for America," and "anti-American beliefs" these are the same vile, vitriolic drivel that Joe McCarthy was fond of vomiting up. The Senate (in an act of integrity hard to imagine today) finally condemned McCarthy for his behavior, and he died a few years later, an alcoholic and drug addict. It's sad to see an American 70 years after McCarthy emulating his profoundly un-American attacks on free thought and speech. 

 


12/08/24 08:04 PM #17754    

 

Jack Mallory

OK, the evidence is overwhelming. I'm forced to 'fess up, or John will expose me as the dirty, dog-loving Commie that I obviously am.

Karl Marx had not one but THREE dogs. This is one of them.

Leon Trotsky had a dog.

Joseph Stalin had a dog.

Fidel Castro had a dog.

Che Guevara had a dog.

 

I have a dog.

And both Bodie and I have RED jackets. QED. What more proof does John or any other good McCarthyite need?
 

Busted. I just have to come clean about my left-wing, America hating, dog loving self. J. Edgar Hoover's 200 page file on me couldn't prove it, but John don' need no stinkin' proof. 
 

You don't see that real American, capitalist to the core Donald Trump running around with some commie canine, do ya?
 


12/09/24 03:21 PM #17755    

 

Jack Mallory

But god must love commies, because he sends mornings like this!


12/09/24 08:27 PM #17756    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Wow, Jack, that sky is breathtakingly beautiful. Thanks for posting it and nice shots of you and Bodie too. You and Bodie look very suspicious Jack. Love, Joanie


12/11/24 07:09 AM #17757    

 

Jack Mallory

The accused murderer of the United Health CEO is locked up in Huntingdon State Prison in Pennsylvania, one of the first places I taught anthropology! I was good; I never said anything to my students about being a "captive audience."

His motives are still unclear. I did notice some evidence of Trump-thought in his dehumanizing reference to those working for the health industry as "parasites." As soon as someone starts using language like that to describe human beings you can expect them to start treating human beings in inhumane ways. 
 

It's like the intellectually inarticulate who can't form a political argument using evidence and reason but instead make empty charges of "hating America" or "sympathizing with communism." When asked to justify their charges, the cowards are unable or unwilling to respond. 


12/11/24 11:28 AM #17758    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Jack, I agree with your comments about using dehumanizing words like Mangione used referring to some as parasites. You are right it's just like Trump calling immigrants names like vermin or his political rivals names.  Once they become dehumanized then it sets the stage for violence. There has been so much written about Mangione and what a great guy he was prior to the killing. I admit there is an interest in knowing what went wrong and led someone with a bright future  to commit such a horrific crime.  However, it would be important to have more then a few lines about Brian Thompson who now has no future.  He had no chance to defend himself with a gunshot to his torso as he was heading to a meeting. He will never hug his children again or be with his wife and other family and friends again.  Ok the killer had potential and was reading about the unibomber and had severe back pain and took heavy meds but whatever drove him to do this, the real tragedy is the loss of Brian Thompson's life. Love, Joanie


12/12/24 07:06 AM #17759    

 

Jack Mallory

There are tragedies related to health care in many ways. This is from NPR news this morning. 

I've bolded and italicized the factors that in a more just, equitable society with greater government regulation might lead to better health and well-being for all. I'll save John the time--yeah, left wing, America hating socialist solutions. You're welcome to provide a informed, evidenced, civil response if you can, John.
 

In the wake of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's killing, there's been a lot of attention on the dysfunction of the health insurance industry.

The shooting triggered a flood of emotional posts online about health insurance denials. Since suspect Luigi Mangione's arrest, attention has turned to a handwritten note, police say they found on him, which according to the AP called health insurance companies "parasitic" and noted the disconnect between this country's expensive health care system and low life expectancy.

It's true that U.S. health care is uniquely costly and often frustrating, but experts say the reasons our life expectancy trails many comparable nations are complex.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's latest calculations put America's life expectancy at 77.5 years. That's far below the average life expectancy for high-income countries, which is 80 years, according to the World Bank. Life expectancy in the U.S. is on par with Ecuador and Croatia.

While problems with health care access cause suffering, health care is not the main factor behind poor life expectancy, says Dr. Steven Woolf, director emeritus of the Center on Society and Health at Virginia Commonwealth University.

"Research shows that about 10-20% of health outcomes are attributable to health care," he says. That includes "really serious deficiencies" in the system such as lack of access to insurance and high costs. 

"But the majority of the reason for poor life expectancy in the United States exists outside of the health care space."

Social and 'commercial' drivers of poor health

In the context of Thompson's death, there's an irony: One significant contributor to America's lower life expectancy is gun violence, killing Americans in their prime. (Thompson was 50 years old.)

"Two years difference in life expectancy probably comes from the fact that firearms are so available in the United States," Eileen Crimmins, professor of gerontology at the University of Southern California, told NPR in 2023.

Crimmins was on a panel of researchers — chaired by Woolf — behind a landmark study from the National Academy of Sciences on the problem of American life expectancy entitled "Shorter Lives, Poorer Health."

Some of the other factors enumerated in the 400-page report include physical inactivity, child poverty, air pollution, and traffic fatalities.

Woolf says public policy also plays a role. He notes that other countries have social support programs to help people living in poverty or without stable housing, "so that it doesn't end up affecting their health," he says. "We don't have as extensive a support structure like that in the United States."

He also points to what he calls "commercial determinants of health" — instances in which lax regulation of industries and products lead to health problems.

"We see it in the food industry. We see it in the firearm industry. The opioid epidemic began with the [availability] of OxyContin in 1996, a drug that other countries throughout Europe and elsewhere would not approve," he says.

This contributes to "a social and political environment in this country that puts profits over public good," Woolf says. "It's a systemic issue that occurs across corporate America. The healthcare industry is no exception, but it's not the only source of our poor health."

Woolf notes that none of this justifies Thompson's killing, which he says is "clearly horrible."

Denials of care

One way that this systemic issue has played out among corporate health insurance companies is through the denial of claims for treatments deemed not "medically necessary."

The experience of coverage denials is widespread, Miranda Yaver, a professor of public health policy at the University of Pittsburgh, told NPR's Morning Edition. She's been researching coverage denials for a forthcoming book. She interviewed more than 1,300 U.S. adults and found 36% had experienced at least one coverage denial.

"The frustrating thing for a lot of patients is that there's just a lot of opacity," says Yaver, who writes a Substack called Rationing by Inconvenience. "When people have tried to dig into the rationales for claim denials, insurers have come back and said that this information is proprietary."

UnitedHealthcare was sued last November for allegedly using AI to process prior authorizations in Medicare Advantage plans. (Other insurers face similar lawsuits, filed last year.)

"One of the things that the [UnitedHealthcare] lawsuit points out is that 90% of the denied claims were reversed upon appeal," said Yaver, citing an allegation from the complaint. "That is just a wild figure because this really suggests that there is a high error rate."

These lawsuits are ongoing. UnitedHealthcare did not respond to NPR's request for comment about its lawsuit; the company's attorneys have asked the court to dismiss the case.

Yaver wrote on Substack that while there have been expressions of "exasperation if not fury toward private insurance" in the wake of Brian Thompson's killing, "this act is almost assuredly not going to lead to a shift in policy by UHC and other private insurers." 

"These are widespread problems that require systemic interventions," she wrote." https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/12/12/nx-s1-5224139/mangione-uhc-brian-thompson-shooting-health-care

Something about the U.S. health care system contributes to our health and longevity issues. But our socioeconomic system more broadly is even more important


12/12/24 08:39 AM #17760    

Carole Meininger (Moore)

If I might jump in here, I was a psychologist who in my career chose to participate with health insurance (rather than opt out, as many of my colleagues did because here in this area there are many people who can afford to pay out of pocket for psychotherapy).  I was one of the few early psychologists in this area who treated eating disorders (which often came with other disorders: depression, anxiety, etc) and one of very few who stayed in network at the beginning.  Thus I participated with United Healthcare - and others like BCBS, Aetna, etc.  So many times I had to call and beg for more sessions, yell, threaten - I really dreaded these interactions.  United Healthcare was the worst at the time.  They would even send a letter saying that if I would take less money they would pay me sooner.  (Fortunately, the state of Maryland requires payment within a certain number of days and I could tell them that.)  I have to say that I don't really understand the whole idea of investors making money on healthcare.  I just wonder why healthcare is for-profit.  It seems totally bizarre to me - and unconscionable.  One of the ways to make money on healthcare is to deny care.  Or delay it etc.etc.  And while I would never believe that violence is a way to solve this problem, I do believe there is a problem - a serious one.      Carole Hoage (Moore)

 

 


12/12/24 10:00 AM #17761    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Hi  Carole! Profits may have been introduced when Nixon signed into law the Health Maintenance Organization Act, where doctors, clinics, hospitals & medical insurance groups could receive for-profit entitlements instead of remaining the service oriented agencies they were meant to be in the first place. Thus, politics were behind that catastrophic move. JMO, but healthcare & capitalism don't succeed well together & soon, something's gotta give. Capitalism is great for an array of reasons but our mixed system has created this out of control, dysfunction of the healthcare industry. 
Another huge (no pun intended) health issue facing America is obesity. That may account for much of our lower life expectancy stats. Thoughts?


12/12/24 03:01 PM #17762    

 

Jack Mallory

Thank you for your informed comment, Carole! At risk of tautological thinking, I'd answer your question by saying that healthcare is for profit because healthcare is for profit. Or healthcare is for profit because healthcare is profitable. Profit in a capitalist economy drives ideas around the "proper" structure of the economy--how goods and services should be distributed; the structure of the economy drives  the form the political system takes, and from there much of cultural beliefs and values. Just to make John happy, I'll tip my hat here in the direction of Karl Marx, mediated through Marvin Harris and the cultural materialist movement that influenced me greatly in grad school. 

How profit became tied to healthcare in the United States I do not know--was healthcare really not for profit prior to Nixon, Nori? Do I have something ELSE to demonize Dick for? How was medical care allocated prior to the HMOA--from each according their ability, to each according to their need? Seems unlikely!

But Nori's opinions here are as close to mine as she and I ever get! "Heathcare & capitalism don't succeed well together & soon, something's gotta give. Capitalism is great for an array of reasons but out mixed system has created this out of control, dysfunction of the healthcare industry." Careful, Nori, John will be putting you into the America hating, commie loving basket he's got the rest of us in!

 

 

 


12/13/24 01:26 AM #17763    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Interestingly, healthcare agencies only turn about a 3 or 4% profit, similar to grocery stores. That would indicate the field is really not breeding greed or corruption. And most people like their healthcare policies. Many have heard of waits of up to 5 hours for ambulances, months and months of waiting for simple treatments & procedures, & poorer quality care in countries with government run healthcare for all. 

As for John Smeby opinions affecting me in some way, I'm FOR all opinions. Bring 'em. Let's get this party started!


12/13/24 06:57 AM #17764    

 

Jack Mallory

"poorer quality care in countries with government run healthcare for all."

Really? Evidence for this? If health care in countries with single payer systems is so poor, why do their citizens live years longer than ours?

AI generated list of some of the economically developed countries similar to the U.S. but with single payer forms of health care:


Longevity data for those countries:

Average life expectancy in US,--about 78 years depending on which of the last few years you look at. 

 

We don't want to let this agreeing with each other thing get out of hand!


12/13/24 07:12 AM #17765    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Those are very ineteresting statistics Jack on how long people live in other countries. I think the guns on the streets and lots of polluted air here doesn't help either. Love, Joanie


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