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01/20/25 03:30 PM #17916    

 

Jack Mallory

Guardian and BBC both freely available, Barbara. Much of our media is behind pay walls; may be other international legal/financial issues with overseas availability. 

*******

Just read that Sgt. Gonell and other Capitol Police have been pardoned by Biden for any possible revenge prosecutions by the First and Forevor Felon. Gonell's lawyer says they had no idea such a pardon was coming, had never asked for one. 

Anyone reading Gonell's book will understand how complicated his reaction must be. On one level, perhaps, glad to be free of Trumpian vengeance. But furious that there might be any suggestion, no matter how unjust, that his actions have been wrong in any way. If anyone had offered me a pardon for anything Nixon's FBI had found in their investigations of me, I'd have turned it down absolutely. Like Sgt. Gonell's actions, mine were entirely aboveboard, legal, and justified. Especially compared to the actions of this felon and that shouldabeen felon. 
 


01/20/25 03:52 PM #17917    

 

Jay Shackford

Initial Inaugural Observations

 

To build on Barbara’s remarks, “Be careful what you wish for:”  Who do you think is going to help rebuild Los Angeles after the costliest wildfires in U.S. history?  Go to any construction site — residential or commercial in almost any area of the country— and you will find more than 70% of the construction workers are immigrants — some of whom recently arrived in the U.S. illegally.  

 

I was also struck by how little Trump had to say about the fires in Los Angeles and failed to talk about any federal relief efforts he was going to launch to help a population of 19 million Americans living in the LA fire zone recover, clean up and rebuild.  

 

The LA fires are the most immediate crisis facing the country.  On its own, California would be the fifth wealthiest and most productive country in the world. What happens in California will ripple across the nation,    Imagine President Obama taking office a week after Katrina and not talking about federal efforts to help provide assistance to the victims and rebuild after the worst hurricanes in U.S. history.  

 

From what I gather (and Joan knows more about this), rebuilding the destroyed and damaged areas of LA will first require a massive clean up and removal of tons and tons of debris — much of it toxic or contaminated.  Where are we going send this stuff?  Dump it in the ocean?  I don’t think so.  Much of it could be heading to the desert where it will be buried at a huge cost — kind of like we buried nuclear waste not too far from Las Vegas.  

 

Governor Newsom will do his part to cover the costs and undertake this huge rebuilding effort.   But he will need immigrant labor as well as billions upon billions of dollars in federal aid and support to get the job done.  I didn’t hear anything about that today. 

 

Finally, let me make a fashion statement, something I’m totally unqualified to do.  But what the hell. What’s it with Melania’s hat?  You can’t see her eyes, much less her forehead.  She kept it on during lunch. If I did that, I would leave lunch with salad dressing dripping from the rim of my hat.  Or is she hiding something?  Perhaps a big bruise from a fall or domestic quarrel.  

 

Or is it just vanity — fear of a 50-something woman competing with a much younger and better looking Ivanka or the beautiful wife of JD Vance.  If Ginni Thomas were around, I would ask her — she’s knows where all the bodies are buried in MAGA land.  

 

 

 


01/20/25 07:35 PM #17918    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Executive order

Sec. 3.  Implementation.  (a)  The United States Ambassador to the United Nations shall immediately submit formal written notification of the United States’ withdrawal from the Paris Agreement under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.  The notice shall be submitted to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, the Depositary of the Agreement, attached as Appendix A.  The United States will consider its withdrawal from the Agreement and any attendant obligations to be effective immediately upon this provision of notification. 

If you care to read the whole miserable thing:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/putting-america-first-in-international-environmental-agreements/

Thanks Barbara for posting your fond memories of Pacific Palisades and your warning of what we have to look forward to. As you say - there's so much more. 

In consideration for those such as Barbara, maybe we should try as often as possible to copy and paste the stories we cite as Jay usually does. Links are of course also welcome.....from those who know how to attach them. 


01/20/25 07:46 PM #17919    

 

Jack Mallory

Delightful to contemplate what could have been. The New Yorker cover for November 18th, 2024. But . . . 


01/20/25 08:35 PM #17920    

 

Jack Mallory

Out.Fucking.Rageous.

Including those who assaulted police officers. I'm sorry, Sgt. Gonell. I'm ashamed for my country.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/20/us/trump-executive-orders?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
 


01/20/25 09:39 PM #17921    

 

Jay Shackford

 

 

Jack--links won't work for the New York Times, Post, the New Yorker, the Atlantic Monthly and most other major newspapers and news magazines unless the person on the receiving end already has a subscription. You need to copy and paste to get it on the forum. Bests, Jay

 


01/21/25 06:08 AM #17922    

 

Jack Mallory

Yes, Nori, many of us are deeply, and rightfully, concerned about our nation's future. Pehaps you're more cheered by the Proud Boys reaction?  

"This morning, members of the far-right paramilitary organization the Proud Boys marched through the capital carrying a banner that read 'Congratulations President Trump' and chanting: 'Whose streets? Our streets!'"

Understandable, since Trump has blessed their leader, Enrique Tarrio, with a pardon for his 22 year sentence and conviction for trying to overthrow our government.

Trump's pardons also included:

"Daniel Rodriguez, who was sentenced to 12 and a half years in prison after pleading guilty to tasing Metropolitan Police Officer Michael Fanone, who suffered cardiac arrest and a traumatic brain injury. “Omg I did so much f---ing s--- r[ight] n[ow] and got away,” he texted to his gang. “Tazzed the f--- out of the blue[.]”
https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/january-20-2025?r=asnwm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Thinking of my nearly lifetime best buddy John, career DC Metro police officer, who is suffering his own sense of moral injury and anger over the felon's pardon of those who brutalized the Capitol Hill officers. 

So, yes, Jaybirds and others are dismayed, and clearly for excellent reasons. But you party on, Nori. 


01/21/25 07:09 AM #17923    

 

Jay Shackford

OPINION

The New York Times

Trump’s Opening Act of Contempt

Get out of Jail”

Jan. 20, 2025

 

 

By The Editorial Board

The editorial board is a group of opinion journalists whose views are informed by expertise, research, debate and certain longstanding values. It is separate from the newsroom.

 

On Jan. 6, 2021, Philip Sean Grillo, a former Republican district leader in Queens, jumped through a broken window at the U.S. Capitol with a megaphone. He pushed his way past a line of Capitol Police officers and opened the exterior doors of the Rotunda to allow other rioters to enter the building and trash it. “We stormed the Capitol!” he exulted on video, and was seen smoking marijuana and high-fiving other Donald Trump supporters who were fighting the police. “We shut it down! We did it!”

Nearly three years later, a federal jury convicted Mr. Grillo of multiple offenses. But he did not lose heart: Last month, when he was sentenced to a year in prison, he had a special taunt for the federal district judge who sentenced him, Royce Lamberth.

“Trump’s going to pardon me anyways,” he yelled at the judge, just before he was handcuffed and led away.

He was right. On Monday evening, several hours after President Trump was inaugurated, he fulfilled a promise he had repeatedly made to pardon nearly all the rioters who attacked and desecrated the Capitol in 2021 to prevent Joe Biden’s victory from being certified. Mr. Grillo and about 1,500 other rioters received full pardons from Mr. Trump, while 14 others received commuted sentences.

 

A presidential pardon for Mr. Grillo not only makes a mockery of his jury’s verdict and of Judge Lamberth’s sentence. Mr. Trump’s mass pardon effectively makes a mockery of a justice system that has labored for four years to charge nearly 1,600 people who tried to stop the Constitution in its tracks, a system that convicted 1,100 of them and that sentenced more than 600 of them to prison.

Most important, the mass pardon sends a message to the country and the world that violating the law in support of Mr. Trump and his movement will be rewarded, especially when considered alongside his previous pardons of his advisers. It loudly proclaims, from the nation’s highest office, that the rioters did nothing wrong, that violence is a perfectly legitimate form of political expression and that no price need be paid by those who seek to disrupt a sacred constitutional transfer of power.

 

The presidential pardon system is usually abused in modern times by departing presidents giving a final gift to cronies, donors or relatives, and those breaches of trust were bad enough. Mr. Biden issued dubious pardons to his son and, as he walked out the door, several other family members, as well as pre-emptive pardons to an array of current and former government officials for noncriminal actions, all to protect them from potential Republican retribution — an expansive use of pardon power that further warps its purpose.

But what Mr. Trump did Monday is of an entirely different scope. He used a mass pardon at the beginning of his term to write a false chapter of American history, to try to erase a crime committed against the foundations of American democracy.

To open his term with such an act of contempt toward the legal system is audacious, even for Mr. Trump, and should send an alarming signal to Democrats and Republicans alike. Members of both parties had to protect themselves that day from the mob, which made little distinction in political affiliation or ideology as they called for the execution of Vice President Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House. In this pardon, Mr. Trump forgave and thus provided encouragement for domestic terrorists who put members of Congress in danger of their lives; the long-term cost will be paid by the entire political system, not just his critics.

 

For four years, he has tried to stage-manage the erasure of his role in inspiring the assault. It was only hours after the attack that his allies in the House and on Fox News began sowing doubt about the motivation for the rioters, claiming it was organized by leftists masquerading as Trump supporters. By 2022, when he was under investigation by the House Jan. 6 committee, he began referring to the rioters as “political prisoners” persecuted by Democrats and openly suggesting that the F.B.I. had helped stage the attack. By the time his presidential campaign was in full swing last year, he had completely transformed the day’s monstrous bloody fury into what he called a “day of love” and insisted falsely that none of his supporters had brought guns to the Capitol.

But Mr. Trump’s dense fog of misinformation can’t change what really happened on that terrible day, which, as the Times editorial board wrote at the time, “touched the darkest memories and fears of democracies the world over.” It was a sentiment in the early aftermath of the attack echoed even by senior Republicans, some of whom would go on to vote to impeach Mr. Trump for his role in instigating it.

At least 20 people who joined the attack did carry firearms onto the Capitol grounds, including Christopher Alberts, who wore body armor containing metal plates and carried a 9-millimeter pistol loaded with 12 rounds of ammunition, along with a separate 12-round holster that included hollow-point bullets. He was sentenced to 84 months in prison after a jury convicted him of nine charges, including assaulting law enforcement officers, but received a full pardon on Monday. More than 140 police officers were assaulted that day; Brian Sicknick, a Capitol Police officer, was killed, and other officers were smashed in the head with weapons; they were bruised, burned and lacerated; four later died by suicide.

“My concern is that people are going to believe that if they attack me or members of my family physically that Donald Trump will absolve them of their acts,” Michael Fanone, a former police officer attacked by the crowd on Jan. 6, told The Times. “And who is to say he wouldn’t?”

For many of the officers who were pepper-sprayed or hit with two-by-fours or beaten that day, the thought that the nation’s chief executive would forgive such actions is despicable. “Releasing those who assaulted us from blame would be a desecration of justice,” Aquilino Gonell, a former Capitol Police sergeant who suffered lasting injuries in the riot, wrote in a Times Opinion guest essay this month. “If Mr. Trump wants to heal our divided nation, he’ll let their convictions stand.”

 

Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers militia, which helped organize the assault, was sentenced to 18 years in prison after being convicted of seditious conspiracy for assembling $20,000 worth of assault weaponry intended to be used at the Capitol. U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta, who sentenced Mr. Rhodes, called him “an ongoing threat and a peril to this country, to the Republic and the very fabric of our democracy.” Judge Mehta later said he was appalled by the idea that Mr. Rhodes could receive a pardon.

“The notion that Stewart Rhodes could be absolved is frightening and ought to be frightening to anyone who cares about democracy in this country,” the judge said last month.

Mr. Rhodes was not pardoned, but his sentence was commuted, and he was scheduled to be immediately released.

Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys militia, was described by a federal judge as the “ultimate leader” of the rebellion, though he was arrested and barred from Washington as soon as he arrived there and didn’t enter the Capitol. Nonetheless, he was sentenced to 22 years in prison after the Justice Department said that by “inflaming the group with rage against law enforcement and then turning it loose on the Capitol, Tarrio did far more harm than he could have as an individual rioter.” Two weeks ago, on Jan. 6, his lawyer wrote to Mr. Trump asking for a pardon, describing his client as “nothing more than a proud American that believes in true conservative values,” and his request was granted on Monday.

Judge Lamberth, a senior federal judge appointed by President Ronald Reagan to the D.C. District Court, has been on the bench since 1987 and has seen it all, having served with the Army’s Judge Advocate General Corps in Vietnam and as a federal prosecutor in Washington during the 1970s. But in pronouncing one sentence against a rioter last January, he said he had never seen such a level of “meritless justifications of criminal activity” in the political mainstream.

 

“I have been dismayed to see distortions and outright falsehoods seep into the public consciousness,” he wrote. “I have been shocked to watch some public figures try to rewrite history, claiming rioters behaved ‘in an orderly fashion’ like ordinary tourists or martyrizing convicted Jan. 6 defendants as ‘political prisoners’ or even, incredibly, ‘hostages.’ That is all preposterous. But the court fears that such destructive, misguided rhetoric could presage further danger to our country.”

On his first day back in public office, Mr. Trump provoked the danger that the judge dreads, setting loose hundreds of people found guilty of participating in a violent assault on the nation’s Capitol — not because they committed no crimes but because they committed their crimes in his name. In doing so, he invites such crimes to happen again.


01/21/25 12:10 PM #17924    

 

Jack Mallory

Bad personal news on top of the bad national news. Sarah Pearce Deaver tells me that Helen Lambie Goldstein passed away last Friday, the 17th, after years with ALS. 


01/21/25 01:16 PM #17925    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Oh no! I corresponded so often with Helen. She was a welcome voice of reason among us. Last time I emailed her, she minimized her health concerns as she would. I thought she had been diagnosed only a year or so ago. She always sent me birthday cards. I mean real ones. That she designed herself. In the mail. She was so happy when her daughter and family moved back to California from France a few years ago. The forum's second loss to ALS, the first being Doug Lesch who brought me to this forum. RIP dear Helen. 


01/21/25 02:06 PM #17926    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I share your wish for Helen's peaceful rest, Joan.  Though she and I saw life through different political lenses, we often messaged privately and she welcomed (and enjoyed) our chats as much as I did. A dear friend of mine passed away with ALS several years ago.  Technology allowed her to literally communicate with her children by blinking her eyelids!  When she could blink no longer, she passed, having survived the diagnosis for 7 years.  Her first symptom was awakening one morning with an inability to walk with good balance. Carpe diem, dear ones.

After that news, not feeling much like charging into a discussion about pardons and EO's and such, but I will mention how Trump's alert, transparent, attentive, non-stop level of energy yesterday was downright remarkable. And I thought I was a people person. Jeez, Louise.  A dynamo is now in charge and when he says he's going to do something, he WILL do it, much like saying for two years that he will pardon (or commute) the J6 gang sentences.  Why is anyone surprised?  It may be a bitter pill to swallow, but The Proud Boys and their ilk, are Americans too. Do they deserve to be pardoned? Maybe, maybe not.  But then it's questionable how Biden's family could get a last-minute preemptive pardon, too. Right or wrong, ""The Big Guy" certainly got the last laugh! 

For Christmas, my granddaighter gave me the book, "Melania", penned by our new First Lady. Upon perusal, am pleased to report that she is a woman of substance and not just another pretty face. Who knew? Another lesson in not judging a book by its cover.

Bundle up, ya'll!!

 


01/21/25 02:24 PM #17927    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I am so sad that Helen died. This is the first I heard of it. I know its just 4 days later though. I had developed a special relationship wtih her. We would email each other and discovered we are both artists. We would send each other a birthday card in July when our birthdays were with a homemade card...the card we sent each other had a picture of an artwork we did. She was really a dear person and I suspected things were worse when she didn't send a Chanukah card via e card this year.  She sent e cards for different occasions. . I tried to ask her daughter but didn't hear back. Anyway, she will be greatly missedj and I am so sorry she is gone. I really loved Helen. Love to all Joanie


01/21/25 02:24 PM #17928    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Didn't mean to ignore your questions, Joanie.  Why are you suggesting that I don't care about Hegseth's drunkenness and sexual impropriety?  It isn't up to me and that is why we have a vetting process which I welcomed for our next SODUS candidate.  Circumstances like those are weighed and determined (hopefully) through thoughtful consideration by Congress. If he's in, great.  If not, for good reason.  I'm fine with that. If they scratch the surface of every government official, we would probably find peeps who accuse him or her of something unsavory they did in their younger years.  No? Lastly, as a mom of three sons, I would hate to have some of my words come back to bite me (or my son) in the ass. :):):)


01/21/25 02:29 PM #17929    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

If I wanted to mess with a government statue or such, I think I might put my red paint can away for the next four years.


01/21/25 02:47 PM #17930    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

What  happened to your post, Jack? it wasn't BS after all?


01/21/25 02:48 PM #17931    

 

Jack Mallory

I'm sure Helen wouldn't want us to overlook obvious BS when we see it. 

Nori says,". . . when he says he's going to do something, he WILL do it."

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1287877621380837378

Or maybe he won't, if they're vandalizing and damaging (and attacking police) at his behest. 
 

My friend John, AKA agent 36 of the DC Metropolitan Police Department, thinks there will be a shortage of brown shirts in local stores as these rioters are released. Google Brownshirts if subtlety isn't your strong point. 
 

Maybe vandals should leave their red paint cans behind, but if they're destroying in Trump's name they can do pretty much whatever damage they please, including tazing police, and still figure on a pardon from the First Felon.

 

01/21/25 03:01 PM #17932    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Nori, I said don't you care about all the indiscretions of Pete Hegseth because you seemed to be glossing over that saying why not ask him his ideas for the Dept of Defense. If you do find character and morality problems something to consider re: a nomination, then I stand to be corrected. He has shown no ability to run an organzation even of 50 people. He talks about women in a disparaging way re: the military. He won't say anyithing that would cross Donald Trump when asked if he would resist something illegal if Donald Trump asked him to do it...and much more. He is a bad choice. He has a history of drinking on the job. Because his daughter is a child of God as he said that he had while married to another woman doesn't make him kosher...He is no Jim Mattis. Love, Joanie


01/21/25 05:47 PM #17933    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Dear God let me count the ways that the first felon's so-called executive orders are all show. They are the embodiment of the authoritarian way he plans to conduct himself with no regard for their legality.  

1. Executive order banning birthright citizenship. So we’re supposed to overturn the 14th amendment with the stroke of his pen???

2.  Executive order delaying the enforcement of the TikTok ban. The Supreme Court has already upheld the ban. So the judicial branch can be ignored by Trump? I guess so.

3. Executive order that would require immigrants to stay in Mexico. Does he know that he can’t do that without Mexico’s agreement??

4. Executive order renaming the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America. There’s a reason Hillary Clinton laughed out loud at this one. Maybe he hasn’t noticed that Mexico shares at least as much coastline with the Gulf as we do, and they were there first, but I guess we should be relieved he didn’t try to rename it the Gulf of Trump.

5. Executive order declaring a state of emergency along the Mexican border. Hard to call it an emergency when border crossings are at their lowest level since 2020. “In fiscal year (FY) 2024, DHS completed roughly 700,000 removals and returns, more than any prior fiscal year since 2010.” I hope the US Customs and Border Protection is a reliable enough source for Nori.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-december-2024-monthly-update

6. Executive order “defending women from gender ideology extremism”. Wha?  I gotta admit, this one leaves me scratching my head. What is he talking about? Not to mention that it’s coming from a convicted sexual abuser/rapist. 

7. Executive order to “unleash” American energy and allow new drilling. Sorry Trump, the US is right now pumping record amounts of oil and gas and if it was increased would lower prices which his driller-donors would not be happy about. So let’s see if they can talk him out of this one. 

8. Executive order eliminating the need for security clearance for White House staffers, granting them immediate Top Secret access. Probably not a bad idea since I’m pretty sure the convicted felon, convicted sexual abuser couldn’t get a Top Secret clearance.

Oh and the pardons? This from one of the pardonees:

Jacob Chansely, better known as the QAnon Shaman, posted on X Monday night "I GOT A PARDON BABY! THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!”  . “NOW I AM GONNA BUY SOME MOTHA FU*KIN GUNS!!!"

https://www.wjhl.com/news/national/qanon-shaman-vows-to-buy-guns-after-trump-pardon/

Wall Street Journal. Is that an acceptable source??


01/21/25 07:57 PM #17934    

 

Jack Mallory

Daniel Rodriguez and Jacob Chansely, on the street and free to buy firearms! This is what the First Felon was talking about when he told us the Golden Age of America has begun. Just what the founders had in mind when they wrote the 2nd Amendment. Especially the fur hat and horns. 
 

AND . . . Next time you've got to get or renew a passport or need to fill out any other federal forms that require sex/gender identification, the Trump administration REALLY wants to nail it down FOR SURE and FOREVER!

So--come on down to the new U.S. Government Sexual Standards Department prepared to get your DNA tested: all your Xs and Ys examined, identified, and counted--don't be bringing in anything other than the XX or XY chromosome pairs that Trump (barely) understands.

Followed by having your genitalia injected, inspected, detected, infected, neglected, and selected, as well as measured, drawn, and photographed--all then recorded in the publicly accessible data base. 

Finally, your chromosomes and genitals will allow your placement in the new federal EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER categorization system. Don't be bringing none of that in-betweeny, well maybe, gender-fluid crap through our door! This is 'Murica, fer chrissake! 

Once this process has been completed and you've received the official document assigning your sex (to be carried on your strictly male or female person AT ALL TIMES), you will sing the National Anthem and may go on about your way in our new, Trumpian, no sexual confusion nation. With a little luck, a Y chromosome, and the right shaped private parts, you can serve in the infantry just like Trump!(?) GOD BLESS AMERICA!


01/22/25 12:11 PM #17935    

 

Patricia Geiger (Bensetler)

Steven or Jack - Please post an obit for Helen Lambie. Thanks Pat Bensetler

 


01/22/25 12:45 PM #17936    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

Can somebody explain to me why the felon didn't have his hand on a bible when being sworn in? I mean he could have even used one of the ones he's selling (US Constitution included for free) with a $99 price tag on it for free advertising. I wonder what his Christian supporters make of his choice.


01/22/25 01:12 PM #17937    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Thanks Jack and Joan for your spot on posts. I think some of the MAGA folks see what Trump is doing and still think its fine. They think he is undoing the weaponization of our government when in reality he IS the head of the weaponization of it along with his 2025 document buddies. I don't get it as its so fascist to try to get rid of everyone who disagrees with you and Trump has a loyalty test for anyone he nominates that says they will be loyal to him...so not the Constitution. Anyway, I was so sad to see the Jan 6 ers getting out even those who committed sedition and those who violently attacked police officers. It would be nice if people including Republicans would stand up and say that is wrong and not be afraid to counter king Trump. How awful about that one insurrectionist that already is happily saying he will go get more guns. Love, Joanie


01/22/25 01:21 PM #17938    

 

Jack Mallory

All I can find, Pat. If Sarah or someone provides me with anything else, I'll post it. https://www.neptune-society.com/obituaries/santa-rosa-ca/helen-goldstein-12206882


Joan, I'm told his spiritual advisers(?) were concerned that his taking an oath touching a Bible could result in a lightning bolt from on high, and the Secret Service admitted they had no protocol for that. 


01/22/25 01:26 PM #17939    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

Hi Jack, good job even finding that about dear Helen passing. I was searching and searching and finding nothing. Maybe there will be something more later about her and her life but if not we all know she was a very special beautiful person bringing more light into the world and we will greatly miss her.. We love you Helen, Joanie and forum friends


01/22/25 01:38 PM #17940    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

I too Googled Helen's name and came up with the Neptune Society site where I left a comment in memorium.


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