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09/08/25 04:43 PM #18431    

 

Jack Mallory

No politics, just nature. 

Grafton Pond, as usual, with Mt. Cardigan providing background. 

 

Adult loon, doing drama.

 

Young loon, doing cute. The teeny fish in its beak is probably not feeling the cute. 
 

48 degrees when I put in this morning!
 


09/10/25 09:18 AM #18432    

 

Jack Mallory

Mix of nature and politics. Ardea herodias comments on Great Orange Buffoon. 
 


 


09/12/25 10:45 AM #18433    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

The only things shamefully happening on our streets, exist in the form of violent crimes, Jay. Finally we have an administration willing to talk about it, take it seriously & actually act on it: finally DOING something about cartels running drugs to our shores, finally DOING something about antisemitism on campuses, finally DOING something about illegal immigration, finally DOING something about Iran's nuclear development. 
Whether I was, am or will ever be wealthy has zero to do with anything. I can only hope that when we attack on this forum, it is merely to attack ideas & never each other personally. 


09/13/25 06:03 AM #18434    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

In my view, violence against someone like Charlie Kirk, with whom I probably share zero ideas, is violence against all of us, it is violence against our society,  against all political discourse, against the ability for our country to maybe ever again exist as a country that welcomes an exchange of ideas. The only responsible thing to wish for is that this kind of violence, which is unique to our country, would end. 

Am I wrong to believe that our political leaders have a job in the face of evil or lawlessness, or tumult, or whatever you want to call it? That they have a responsibility to encourage moderation, to ensure us that we will be okay, that we will find a way beyond the hatred that caused the evil? 

Or is it better that we have leaders - dare I say, a president, who instead speaks from the Oval Office  before ANYTHING was known about the assassin and says “For years those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans, like Charlie, to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals.” So this shooter is now, because the president says so, someone from the radical left? I don’t know where this guy was coming from, but the President is telling us he knows, and by saying so, he encourages the violence to continue as long as it’s in his name. This is by far not the way a responsible leader would speak. He would not encourage the worst in us. He would try to appeal to our humanity in the face of a tragedy. He would behave like a decent human being.


09/13/25 07:06 AM #18435    

 

Jack Mallory

Well said, Joan. The level of violence in this country, in word and deed, is horrific. Much of the language of hatred ("I hate them, I really do . . . They hate our country") comes from he who has the biggest loudspeaker, and therefore the potential to foment even more literal violence.


09/13/25 12:35 PM #18436    

 

Jay Shackford

Good post, Joan.


09/13/25 01:07 PM #18437    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

I expect public figures to be criticized for their policies, behaviors, opinions. I welcome debate from any & all, but no voice in our country should be silenced. Our generation grew up knowing the precious value of free speech but worry that some crucial lessons are being overlooked in the schools, homes, social media of today,  It surely is not helpful that leaders spew political bias but it's not coincidence that church attendance is at an all time low, as well. One wonders how increasing secularization & changing societal values have affected moral behaviors. Perhaps the mantra 'Make America Great Again' resonated with many Americans for those very reasons.


09/13/25 02:06 PM #18438    

 

Jay Shackford

Charlie Kirk Was Practicing 

Politics the Right Way

By Ezra Klein/Columnist for The New York Times

Sept. 11, 2025

The foundation of a free society is the ability to participate in politics without fear of violence. To lose that is to risk losing everything. Charlie Kirk — and his family — just lost everything. As a country, we came a step closer to losing everything, too.

We’ve been edging closer for some time now. In 2020, a plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, was foiled by the F.B.I. In 2021, a mob stormed the Capitol in an effort to overturn the result of the election and pipe bombs were found at the Democratic and the Republican National Committee headquarters. In 2022, a man broke into the home of Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House at the time, intending to kidnap her. She was absent, but the intruder assaulted her 82-year-old husband, Paul, with a hammer, fracturing his skull. In 2024, President Trump was nearly assassinated. That same year, Brian Thompson, the chief executive of UnitedHealthcare, was murdered.

In 2025, Molotov cocktails were thrown into the home of Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania during Passover. Melissa Hortman, the former House speaker of Minnesota, and her husband were murdered, and State Senator John Hoffman and his wife were severely injured by a gunman. And on Wednesday, Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, was gunned down during a speech at Utah Valley University.

You can dislike much of what Kirk believed and the following statement is still true: Kirk was practicing politics in exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him. He was one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion. When the left thought its hold on the hearts and minds of college students was nearly absolute, Kirk showed up again and again to break it. Slowly, then all at once, he did. College-age voters shifted sharply right in the 2024 election.

 

That was not all Kirk’s doing, but he was central in laying the groundwork for it. I did not know Kirk, and I am not the right person to eulogize him. But I envied what he built. A taste for disagreement is a virtue in a democracy. Liberalism could use more of his moxie and fearlessness. In the inaugural episode of his podcast, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California hosted Kirk, admitting that his son was a huge fan. What a testament to Kirk’s project.

On social media, I’ve seen mostly decent reactions to Kirk’s murder. There is grief and shock from both the left and the right. But I’ve seen two forms of reaction that are misguided, however comprehensible the rage or horror that provoked them. One is a move on the left to wrap Kirk’s death around his views — after all, he defended the Second Amendment, even admitting it meant accepting innocent deaths. Another is on the right, to turn his murder into a justification for an all-out war, a Reichstag fire for our time.

But as the list above reveals, there is no world in which political violence escalates but is contained to just your foes. Even if that were possible, it would still be a world of horrors, a society that had collapsed into the most irreversible form of unfreedom.

Political violence is a virus. It is contagious. We have been through periods in this country when it was endemic. In the 1960s there were the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert F. Kennedy and Medgar Evers. In the 1970s, Gov. George Wallace was shot by a would-be assassin but survived, and Gerald Ford faced two assassination attempts in one month. In 1981 Ronald Reagan survived after John Hinckley Jr.’s bullet ricocheted off his rib and punctured his lung. These assassins and would-be assassins had different motives, different politics and different levels of mental stability. When political violence becomes imaginable, either as a tool of politics or a ladder for fame, it begins to infect hosts heedlessly.

American politics has sides. There is no use pretending it doesn’t. But both sides are meant to be on the same side of a larger project — we are all, or most of us, anyway, trying to maintain the viability of the American experiment. We can live with losing an election because we believe in the promise of the next election; we can live with losing an argument because we believe that there will be another argument. Political violence imperils that.

 

Kirk and I were on different sides of most political arguments. We were on the same side on the continued possibility of American politics. It is supposed to be an argument, not a war; it is supposed to be won with words, not ended with bullets. I wanted Kirk to be safe for his sake, but I also wanted him to be safe for mine and for the sake of our larger shared project. The same is true for Shapiro, for Hoffman, for Hortman, for Thompson, for Trump, for Pelosi, for Whitmer. We are all safe, or none of us are.


09/13/25 02:48 PM #18439    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

What you are not seeming aware of Nori is that Trump is rounding up huge groups of non violent immigrants who contribute to society.  He is very cruel separating families and deporting people to horrific prisons where they throw away the key.  And Nori, why did Trump pardon the many violent offenders on January 6 who beat up the police.? Is that a sign of a President concerned with crime? Please answer.  

As for the horrific murder of Charlie Kirk, yes the discourse like Trump used blaming the radical left before knowing anything about what prompted the killer,  inflames certain people  I'm sure rhetoric on the left needs toning down too  I was so moved by the governor of Utah's words (opposite from Trump's) that tried to bring people together and calm things and emphasize our commonality. The change needed Nori is to get an assault weapons ban and have stricter laws to prevent so many guns to be easily purchased. Maybe a buy back of guns.  There are more guns then people in this country and Nancy Mace saying she will now carry a gun  isn't the answer   Love, Joanie

 

 


 


09/13/25 07:32 PM #18440    

 

John Smeby

Joan Ruggles: You say in reference to Charlie Kirk "--- with whom I probably share zero ideas---", does that mean you do not believe in the "Sanctity of Life" where we are created in the image of God, or more simply put "the idea that life is sacred"? Making such statements shows how stupid you are.

Joanie Bender: You say that we should "--- get an assault weapons ban---" while discussing the Charlie Kirk assassination, the cowardly assassin used a hunting rifle, more specifically an imported Mauser .30-06 bolt-action rifle. What does an assault weapons ban have to do with the time-honored right to hunt in America? Please learn what an assault weapon is compared to a hunting single fire bolt-action rifle. Making such statements shows how stupid you are.

Posted a new image (of me) from our most recent cruise on the Adventure of the Seas Royal Caribbean ship last month. 

 


09/13/25 09:05 PM #18441    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

One important take-away from Cox is his pointing a finger at the invasive stronghold social media has on our youth. (Btw, Beijing must be thrilled to be witnessing such an insidious societal & spiritual decline of our country). 
Charlie Kirk spent his life pushing us to be better - messaging men to be better dads, husbands, women to be better aware of their responsibilities. Pushing all to put family & faith at the forefront of life, allthewhile, challenging us to challenge him! Can that message be so wrong? While some heard hate, others heard inspiration. As MLK, Lincoln, JFK & many other voices were heard in the wilderness, their deaths brought even greater power to their words. None more so, than those of Jesus Christ whose timeless message was just to love one another. 
Though my heart aches for Kirk's fatherless babies, it's heartening to know that more than all the students on all his scheduled campus tour, are NOW finding out who Charlie Kirk was & what his open message to the world looks like.


09/13/25 10:01 PM #18442    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

John, calling people stupid is not a way to get your points across. I stand by what I said...if there were less guns on the streets, less people would die.There are more guns in America then there are people.  I would have been more interested to see your picture if you hadn't insulted me and Joan for our ideas. . I have always been polite to you and commented on the photos you have shared over the years. Joanie

Nori, I can tell Charlie Kirk was very loved by many people. I don't share many of his ideas about things but I respect very much his right to them and to work to promote them. Our Democracy is based on different ideas and respecting each others differences whenever possible. Love, Joanie


09/14/25 06:43 AM #18443    

 

Jack Mallory

John, please add me to your list of "stupid" people. I frequently agree with Joan and Joanie, and feel no more intelligent than they. I'd hate for anyone to read our forum posts and get the impression that you approve of my intelligence more than theirs, given the views that you often represent here. Feel free, as Nori suggests, to attack my ideas, my opinions, my words. When an adult calls people stupid, they come off sounding like a 10 year old. 

No offense meant to 10 year olds. Actually, I should amend that and say "sounding like a 10 year old or a bitter old man," to take the onus off the 10 year olds.

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Speaking of Nori--she suggests some correlation between low church attendance and moral behavior. I'm in the middle of Combee, a history of Harriet Tubman and her part in the emancipation struggle and the Civil War. The book makes it clear how strongly Christian religious belief, church membership and church participation were embedded in the lives of slave owners in the American south. And in the lives of those who fought against slavery!
 

Correlation is not causation, as many of us must have learned, if not at BCC then later in our education.


 


09/14/25 06:58 AM #18444    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I agree with Jack. Thanks for your post.

John, I might add and this is not to make you feel unintelligent, but of course I didn't mean when I brought up an assault weapons ban that the rifle used was in that category of guns. I was bringing the assault weapons ban up as a way to cut down on horrific incidences in this country. I know rifles are used to hunt...Tragically one was used that killed Charlie Kirk.

It would be important John to listen to the Governor Cox of Utah's kind message of healing that he gave to those who differ.  Love, Joanie


09/15/25 01:59 AM #18445    

 

Joan Ruggles (Young)

As the moderator of this forum, I am charged with censoring posts that are offensive or that attack other members of the forum.  I have used that power sparingly in the past -- only once, when Mr. Smeby called one of us some nasty names.  I deleted his post. It doesn't seem judicious for that same poster to attack the moderator herself, but since I need to be thick-skinned about these sorts of things, I’m going to leave Mr Smeby’s post up for all to see and to make their own judgments whether this represents civil discourse. 

As I said in my post I probably didn’t agree with most of the things that Charlie Kirk espoused.  I know I didn’t agree with his views on gender, immigration, homosexuality, climate change. I know I disagreed with his anti-semitic views and his views about the place of women in society.  But I wasn’t posting about his views. I was posting about the tragedy of another political killing and about the reaction of the President on Thursday, without any evidence of the identity or motives of the killer. 

Mr. Smeby asks whether I believe in the “sanctity of life.”  I believe I expressed that very clearly in my post.  I expressed sadness that there is this needless loss of life because of political differences in our country and that such violence is shameful.  People shouldn’t die because somebody disagrees with them.  Even somebody with whom I have few ideas in common.

 


09/15/25 05:38 AM #18446    

 

Robert Hall

Thank you Joan for your measured, eloquent response to Smeby's irrational, angry post.

09/15/25 06:12 AM #18447    

 

Jack Mallory

Good decision, Joan. I think it's far better to err on the side of free speech permissiveness than censorship.  

And I take some small pleasure in seeing the post remain as evidence of John's inability to muster any argument contradicting you and Joanie other than childish name calling.  Be careful, or next time he might call you a "big poo-poo head!"
 

Nori, do you think John's unChristian language is evidence of his poor attendance at church, or watching too much Fox News?

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/fox-friends-host-apologizes-saying-mentally-ill-homeless-people-should-be-killed-2025-09-14/


09/15/25 12:18 PM #18448    

 

Susan Sarbacher (Pence)

I very rarely check in on our forum, but occasionally check to see what's trending. Also, I never post, but I do need to respectfully correct Joan on her false claim that Charlie Kirk was antisemetic. He was far from that disgusting mindset, and far too prevalent in the world and this country today. Please see Benjamin Netanyahu's remarks on the day Charlie was murdered, and the day after."...A lionhearted friend of Israel, he fought the lies and stood tall for Judeo Christian civilization. 


09/15/25 01:22 PM #18449    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

For those who may feel stupid..oops, UNAWARE ..of Charlie Kirk's positions on issues, he has been an articulate & prolific author of several books available on Amazon. A racist? An antisemite? Read for yourselves what he was all about. 


09/15/25 02:14 PM #18450    

 

Robert Hall

Charlie Kirk's anti-semitic opinions are on record. His anti-American Christian Nationalism statements concerning Jews are deeply concerning to my Jewish friends. Netanyahu knows how to play to American conservatives.

09/15/25 04:26 PM #18451    

 

Jack Mallory

A couple of mentions of Kirk and anti-semitism here (links work):

Mr. Kirk was repeatedly accused of antisemitism, including by fellow conservatives.

He was a proponent of “replacement theory,” a once-fringe conspiracy theory positing that Jews are trying to replace white Americans with nonwhite immigrants. That ideology motivated the gunman who killed 11 worshipers at a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018.

Mr. Kirk also accused Jewish philanthropists of fomenting anti-whiteness by supporting liberal antiracism causes like the Black Lives Matter movement.

“The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country,” he said on his show in 2023.

Not long after, he accused Jews of controlling “not just the colleges — it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it.”

Allies of Mr. Kirk often sought to defend him against accusations of antisemitism by citing his support for Israel. Mr. Kirk defended Israel’s actions in Gaza. After his death, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel mourned him as “a lionhearted friend of Israel” who “stood tall for Judeo-Christian civilization.” https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/us/charlie-kirk-views-guns-gender-climate.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

And here: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/15/us/politics/charlie-kirk-rnc-antisemitism.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


09/15/25 04:57 PM #18452    

 

Nora Skinker (Morton)

Hmm. I'll accept the direct assertion by the current allied leader of the Jewish state of Israel over brief cuts from years of debate cited & filtered through a left leaning news source. Perhaps Netanyahu knows how to speak to conservatives because he is one. What a concept. 


09/15/25 06:12 PM #18453    

 

Jack Mallory

Nori has more confidence in Netanyahu than most Israelis. 
 


https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-70-of-israelis-dont-trust-government-including-almost-half-of-coalition-voters/

Wikipedia calls The Times of Israel "centrist," citing these sources: Links will take you to the references. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7]


Do you have evidence that the Times of Israel is leftist, Nori? What are your sources?


09/15/25 06:35 PM #18454    

 

Joanie Bender (Grosfeld)

I agree with Jack. Netanyahu is not reputable. October 7 was beyond horrific and Israel had every right to defend herself but the way the war has been conducted is a tragedy.  I have always had a deep bond with Israel. It's a homeland for Jews and yet I am heartbroken over the Israel I've loved and visited twice with my adorable mother. Under Netanyahu, there has been the starving of Gaza's, prioritizing getting ever last Hamas member over getting out the hostages.  Ever day they have less chances of being alive.  Then there is all the horrific Palestinian casualties and plans to take over the West Bank.  This could be the end of the Abraham Accords. Netanyahu wants to stay in power to avoid  prosecution.  He is no one to elevate as a conveyer of the truth. Love, Joanie 


09/15/25 07:30 PM #18455    

 

Jack Mallory

But rather than focus on racist politicians, let's talk about Betty Kellenberger--Am I focusing on her because of her age and gender?

YOU DAMN BETCHA! Totally a DEI pick! And because she's done something I can't imagine myself ever doing! Read the article, imagine our Commander in Chief in every picture! 

https://thetrek.co/appalachian-trail/betty-kellenberger-just-became-the-oldest-woman-to-thru-hike-the-at-at-age-80/

 

 In this pic, for example--just imagine a bright orange tint to her hair:



 

You'll have to imagine kinda different arms and leg, too. Maybe he'll try this next year, when he's the age she was when she did it. 

Her trail name is "Legend." Wonder what his would be? Bone Spurs might make a good trail name


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