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08/21/08 02:59 PM #459    

Kevin Barone

HI EVERYBODY!!!


I was just out walking Dom (my dog).He made a pooh pooh on the grass.It was at that moment I noticed how green the grass has gotten with all of the rain Fay has dumped on us!!

I hope you all have a sun shiney day!!! Peace/KGB

08/21/08 03:50 PM #460    

Carol Vallone

...would a fly without wings be called a "walk"?

08/21/08 03:51 PM #461    

Carol Vallone

...if you see a turtle without a shell...is he homeless?

08/21/08 03:52 PM #462    

Carol Vallone

...wouldn't it be a bad idea to play leap frog with a unicorn?

08/21/08 03:52 PM #463    

Carol Vallone

...don't you think that no matter who you are or how popular you become, the size of your funeral is going to depend on the weather?

08/21/08 03:54 PM #464    

Carol Vallone

...if all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?

08/21/08 03:55 PM #465    

Carol Vallone

did i mention the one about post-its??? :o)

08/21/08 04:01 PM #466    

William Casey

yes; no – he’s on vacation; it depends; yes; on saturn – it’s a drive-in theatre.

08/21/08 04:01 PM #467    

William Casey

this sure beats working on my 2009 budget, which is due tomorrow!

08/21/08 04:24 PM #468    

Carol Vallone

Bill - As far as the budget goes, copy last years and whatever difference you may have divide by 12 and add/subtract it to each month!! Make your secretary do it!!

08/21/08 04:27 PM #469    

William Casey

wow, that's easy. i was using a random number generator, but i'll adopt your method.

08/21/08 05:52 PM #470    

Elmer Dante

Carol and Kevin,

I saw your posts regarding Angelina Jolie. It's funny how the image of a strong, independent woman could incite such rage in such a liberal woman such as Ms. Barr. As I've come to find, there are liberals and there are liberals. I wonder if she might make similar comments regarding one of the actors who played '007, the man with the license to kill.

When taking a course on feminism a number of years ago, some of the woman in the class indicated that they made certain that their daughters viewed 'Xena the Warrior Princess' each week because they wanted them to be influenced by a strong role model from popular culture. In other words, to be influenced by a television program in which the male gender wasn't shown as normative.

Ms. Barr's rage is somewhat similar to the public rage (incited by the popular press) against Leona Helmsley and Martha Stuart and the public's subsequent lurid fascination with the lives of women in prison. Keep in mind that Leona Helmsley committed two crimes: 1. She took expenses for work done on her home as business deductions, and 2. She was a woman.

The only thing that I can say about Angelina Jolie (because I don't know the woman) is that I applaud her for giving a wonderful life to three children who might otherwise languish in a third world orphanage.

Elmer

08/21/08 07:31 PM #471    

Harold Cody

Can I be one of Angelina's adopted kids? MAMA!

08/21/08 08:14 PM #472    

Elmer Dante

All,

In light of some of the previous posts, I thought I'd post this. I think that everybody has a story to tell. Each of us has baggage accumulated along the way and each of us would have done things differently if we had the luxury of being able to live life over again.

I also think that everybody who has participated on this site is great. When I look at each person's personal profile, I see just how fortunate each of us has been and can't help but think that each of us owes at least some of our good fortune to our experience at Morris Catholic.

In response to some of more politically charged posts, I'd like to make a few comments, while at the same time hoping to comply with Cheryl's advisory post. One of the United State's strengths is its commitment to pluralism. We have a two-party system. Our Constitution guarantees pluralistic viewpoints by guaranteeing citizens of the United States freedom of speech (in a public forum, not in private forums such as the workplace). If I were in public office (and, I assure you, I won't be), I would want to continuously engage in pluralistic dialogue by surrounding myself with both liberal and conservative advisors.

There are great Republicans (e.g., Abraham Lincoln and President Ford) and there are great Democrats (e.g., John F. Kennedy and Jimmy Carter). There are legitimate conservative views and legitimate liberal views. Sometimes compromise is necessary; sometimes, through dialogue, an accord can be achieved; and, sometimes, it is necessary to agree to disagree. Some of my closest friends are Republicans with whom, on some issues, we agree and on others we agree to disagree.

Abortion is an emotionally-charged issue—those on both sides of the debate will agree on that particular fact. Since birth and death are the two most significant events in a person's life, why wouldn't it be an emotionally charged issue? I don't think that any thinking person on either side of the debate could think of abortion as something 'good.' Whatever side one takes on the issue, the decision to have an abortion is tragic. Tragic because a woman decides so for economic reasons, tragic because of a violent act against her by a man or tragic because circumstances were such that someone was unable to welcome the coming of a child as a gift from God (or, to demonstrate my commitment to pluralism, Goddess, the Universe or whatever you, the reader, regards as the highest super agency of the universe).

I've seen unreasonable positions on both sides of the debate. For example, some in favor of legalized abortion take the unreasonable position that abortion is simply a medical procedure and not an issue open to moral debate as if it is something that somehow transcends the scope of philosophical and ethical inquiry.

On an altogether different note, I wanted to comment on another undercurrent I noticed in some of the posts. Most 21st century social scientists believe that the terms 'homosexual' and 'heterosexual' are outdated labels and that human sexuality is far more complex that the use of the two terms implies. As my brother has shown me, the gay world is far more complex than most would imagine, there are straight-looking gays, effeminate gays, there are 'bears' and a host of in-between. I'm told that these groups are often exclusive and that it is not unusual for those who fit into one classification to avoid those who fit into one of the other classifications.

There is also, in the gay world, the phenomenon of what is colloquially known in the gay community as "fag hags" (straight women who have close relationships with gay men). An acquaintance of my brother (her husband plays on my brother's partner's softball team) wrote her doctoral dissertation at Rollins College on this phenomenon and successfully defended it. She is now a professor of gay studies.

Before closing, I'd like to make two more points: One directed to Kevin and another directed to everyone.

Kevin: What would the gay community have been without Stonewall? Wasn't that riot the real birth of the gay community's self identity? Although I don't advocate violence, sometimes it is necessary.

Everyone: Another point I'd like to make fact that some of the great men of history were gay: Michelangelo, Alexander the Great and (thanks to revisionist history) Abraham Lincoln. Although Alexander was a blood thirsty warrior, he also had a sentimental side. When his dog died, he ordered his priests and their acolytes to have a great religious procession in honor of the dog—oh, how I like his style. When my dog died, if I had the clout, I’d have had his funeral at Westminster Abbey with the Archbishop of Canterbury officiating.

(Hopefully, I haven’t offended anyone. If I have, please forgive me.) (Kevin: I hope I provided some insights into the gay community with which you would agree). Remember: We live in a post-modern world—a world in which there are worlds and few absolutes. In other words, we no longer say “it’s this or that”; we now say, “it’s this and it’s that.”

My best to all,

Elmer

PS: Kevin: In response to your story about your dog, I thought I’d give you a similar story. When I closed on my house last year, I was running from one house to another, quickly walked the dogs, and brought them to the kennel in order to go to the closing, collect the key to the new house, and subsequently bring them there.

When I arrived at the attorney’s office, whom I hadn’t met before, I suddenly smelled an odor that suggested that while walking the dogs, I stepped in something in the grass. He led me into a conference room, left me alone and I quickly checked my shoes (while thinking, where the hell can I wipe them off). When I checked my shoes, I found nothing (and then thought, it’s on my coat or pants, but found nothing). Well, to make a long story short, it was my attorney’s breath. Nice, huh.






08/21/08 10:45 PM #473    

Kevin Barone

Elmer-

You just keep getting better and better!!!
And,who knew???...You're a rebel!!!!

I don't know who went crying to Cheryl,but,again,you hit the nail on the head.This is an open public forum.
I keep reminding everyone in almost every one of my posts that I am only stating my personal opinions.I am entitled to do that just as much as any one is entitled to respond or simply skip over my posts.

You are a fountain of knowledge & information.Maybe you SHOULD think of running for public office in the future!

I find no reason for me to post a private message if I don't feel that what I am saying is hurting me or some one else intentionally.Some people are simply over sensitive.At the same time,sometimes my words are too strong and forthright.I know some people can't handle that.

As I have stated before,it has been 30 years since graduation,the world is a totally different place,I can't understand why people want to avoid reality & sensor other peoples opinions.

No matter how strongly one may feel about their beliefs,there is usually some degree of common ground amoungst those of another belief and no one has all the answers to appease every one.

Some one actually Emailed me and asked me what I would say to God when "HE" asks me at the pearly gates if I was kind to others...as if I believe that that senerio is actually something to worry about.So rediculous!!
Obviously some folks don't get out much and prefer to live in a little tiny bubble believing,literally,what some one else has told them.There is no desire for self discovery or exploration.And they try to insinuate that I am wrong(or rude & selfish)in this particular case.

I also think that some people are still using the Evelyn Wood speed reading technique because they are not truely reading what is in front of them.In other cases, I believe that some people just pop onto the site,read my last post and start to judge me and accuse me of things that are totally uncharacteristic of me... without even reading the posts that lead up to the current post to get the context or the point.

Also some people's egos are so large that they accuse me of speaking down to them when that is simply not the case,witness Liz's furry with me yesterday because I said..."strike three...you're out".That one's a real mystery!!! She read me into next week and then contradicted herself by suggesting to me that I post MY opinions to the person that may care to hear them in private,yet she chose to berate me on the message board.

I am no fool and I am very savvy to inuendo,so keep that in mind.

As far as your analysis of the Democrat/Republican grey areas,again,I find your opinion to be on the money.
Our laws & constitution are outdated yet we continue to stick with them even though they are clearly not working.
Why we need to narrow our selection for our leaders to two choices is absurd.Besides,politics is all about the desire for power,money and control.There is so much corruption,it's sickening.

My opinion on Stonewall...I agree that at times there is violence in order to create change.However,after highschool,when I found out that there was such a thing as homosexuality and realized that I wasn't alone,I could not believe that something that has been going on since the beginning of time was kept a secret.
When I came out,there was no stopping me.I didn't care one bit about what any one thought,even my family and friends.I felt that I had finally figured myself out and I was fine with it.My feelings were (and still are) if it's something that you can't accept...bye,bye,next.

Fortunately,my relationships were not affected at all.I was loved unconditionally for just being me.I wouldn't have it any other way or I would be the one to turn my back and walk away.

When I started to learn about the history of homosexuality,I was stunned to find out that this had been going on in our country from the get go and that only since the Stonewall riots was it even possible to acknowledge one's gayness with out being jailed,killed or black balled.

You may find this hard to believe,but one thing that always resonated in my soul was a strong belief in an afterlife.I truely feel that if Stonewall had not occured,making homosexuality more acceptable,I would have put my life on the line by proudly claiming who/what I was and suffered whatever consequences as a result.I view the era of slavery in the same way.I would have been shouting from the roof tops condemming it at any cost,including loss of my life.

I am a very passionate person and stand up proudly for the things that I believe in.

That is why you don't find me holding back in this forum.
It doesn't matter to me if I'm going against the grain.
I say what I feel needs to be said in all facets of my life.I do my very best to be true to myself and where ever that road leads me...there is where I go.

That is what being brought up Catholic taught me.I don't believe that Jesus died for our sins,that makes no sense to me at all.I believe it was all part of his message of surrender and faith in the "Father" that allowed him to die without a fight because his message was of peace and Love,not violence.

That is why I don't believe in war,the death penalty,abortion or any form of physical violence.

Problems need to be worked out through deep conversation and consideration or "Diplomacy" as Barack Obama would say,only to be mocked by the "Christian" Right who are supposed to be the ones that hold Jesus' teachings in such high regard.They are the ones who want to fight and kill any one that disagrees with there hipocracy.

Lastly,yesterday I made the point of the probability of a reinstatement of a draft if Mr. McCain is voted into office.
To the person that wrote to me that they "love McCain" and think he will bring peace.Did you catch the news lately?

See Ya/KGB


08/22/08 07:29 AM #474    

Carol Vallone

Greg Marion.... are you coming to the reunion?

08/22/08 07:38 AM #475    

Carol Vallone

Harold.... it's not on anymore but did you ever see the show "Absolutely Fabulous"? It was a BBC comedy... I usually don't understand that British humor but this was hysterical.

08/22/08 07:45 AM #476    

Kevin Barone

Did anyone see "The Cho Show" on VH1 last night starring Margaret Cho??? Funny,check it out.....KGB

08/22/08 08:04 AM #477    

Harold Cody

Carol-I've never heard of it! So, I found clips on the net. Great stuff, hilarious! Too bad I didn't know about that show when it was still airing. BBC TV has great programs.

I'm so glad we're all keeping in touch. It's nice to open my emails at 5am (before the tasks of the day takes my life over) and see notes and letters from you folks who bring my memories back to when we were young. I wonder what life would be like if we had these tools since '78? The kids today are lucky (I think) to have instant communication so they can keep tabs on their friends from such an early age. Sometimes I think about all we have missed in each others lives, both the good and bad, and how we could have shared more of the happy times, and helped each other through the tough ones.

Ah, c'est la vie
Harold

08/22/08 09:48 AM #478    

Lisa Coppola

Carol,
Maybe we are twin daughters of different mothers???? You should not be surprised to hear that I used to roll around on the couch, laughing hysterically, while watching "Ab Fab".

Harold
Your last post brought tears to my eyes ( no not the one with Paris Hilton!) I feel the same way and wish I had more than a day or two to spend with old friends.Stay well. Really wish you were coming.

fondly, Lisa

08/22/08 09:48 AM #479    

Elmer Dante

Carol and Harold,

'Absolutely Fabulous' was a great series. My favorite espisodes featured Patsy and Edwinda in Morrocco.

Kevin,

I'm going to respond to you in (yes) a much longer e-mail. In particular I want to explore the concept of Our Lord's vicarious atonement. That's only one of the models to explain Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Quite frankly, it didn't come into vogue in Western theology until St. Anselm wrote his 'Cur Deus Homo' or 'Why God Became Man'in the 11th century. Prior to that, the ransom and conquering models were much more significant to Western theologians. To make a long story short, after St. Anselm, Christ the Victor became Christ the Victim.

The Eastern Church, already separated from Rome by the time St. Anselm's writings became normative, never adopted the view that Christ's death was a vicarious atonement. It is regarded in the East as a sacrifice, but not a sacrifice to God the father in exchange for forgiveness of the human race--instead it is regarded as God's self-emptying or dying to his (or her) own divinity in solidarity with creation.

Although what you reference is what I would term folk or pop theology, particularly embraced by such Evangelists as Jerry Falwell, it is not a sophisticated Christian position. However, it is correct to say that God gave himself (or died) to heal human affliction and alienation--it is in this divine selfgiving we find the meaning of what it is to be truly human.

I do believe, however, there is some truth to folk theology. I'm not certain that there are pearly gates; however, whatever the afterlife is, it will be dynamic rather than static. The Western view, conditioned by St. Augustine, is that we will enjoy the beatific vision in a very static afterlife. The Eastern view, conditioned by mystical theology, is of a dynamic, evolutionary afterlife in which each of us becomes infused with the divine. In the Eastern folk theology,some of this dynamism is expressed in mythological terms as "toll houses," with gates, which we must each pass. Each of these toll houses is guarded by a demon or demons. We can only pass those gates when we confront our own inner demons (at that level of reality, inner and outer realities are often blurred).

(Keep in mind, the early Christians, having inherited a good deal from neo-platonism, believed that demons inhabited the air. I did my master's thesis on exorcism.)

At any rate, I need to get back to the U.S. Tax Code. I have a tax emergency.

Best regards to all,

Elmer

08/23/08 09:50 AM #480    

Margaret C. Shade (Hogan)

Hi All,
I had to go to work For two days last week and it was difficult. I;ve been off for 6 weeks. I forgot my password for my computer and it took me 30 minutes to log on. I love being almost 50. In less then a week my daughter leaves for college and I've been trying to spend some alone time with her when I can. My son leaves in a week and then it will be just my husband and the dog home. We do have some weekend trips planned so that will keep us busy and it will be nice to be alone together.
I was going to try and write a really long post so that it could be longer then Kevin's or Elmer's But I think I would have to plagiarize.
ARe any of you checking the profiles? I think Katherine Scharff Wins the award for the most children. Katherine How do you keep your self sane. Congratulations your family is beautiful !!
That's about as long as I can make this. I can't even come close to Elmer or Kevin.
Margaret

08/23/08 04:04 PM #481    

 

MaryGrace Van Saun (Tiersch)

Hope everyone is having a nice Saturday, gorgeous weather and all hear in the East...I guess everyone is enjoying themselves cause no one has written in a bit...so I thought I would.
Hmmmm, ummmmmmmm, 12 days till school (including weekend days) so thats a lil encouraging for me...I am not cut out to be a stay at home kinda girl. I need a routine, a schedule, blocks of time that have purpose. So w taht i am gonna take a shower(as if you all needed to know tat) and got to Saturday night mass...Carol I will hope to see yu there...ya know since you live right down the street and all. bye now :)

08/23/08 04:43 PM #482    

Lisa Coppola

Mary Grace,
Remind me of the name of your church. I believe my grandfather was an usher ( is that the right word?) there when I was a child.
How many years have you been teaching? I'll bet the kids love you!
bye for now, Lisa

08/23/08 05:06 PM #483    

Kathleen Gallagher (Murphy)

Mary Grace -

Hello friend! Good luck to you in your upcoming school year. I agree with Lisa . . . I'll bet the kids love you. What grade do you teach?

Lisa -

Hello to you, too, friend! Your posts are always such a pleasure to read. You're so sweet! Do you live anywhere near "Fountain Hills"? My aunt lives there.

Bez -

Welcome home! I hope you had a wonderful vacation. I don't know how it's possible not to have fun. Outer Banks is just beautiful.

Love to all, Kathleen


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