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06/14/20 10:55 AM #243    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

Johnny/John/Johnny:  Life comes full circle?  Enjoyed your commentary.  Thank you for sharing.

I was reading an editorial in my local paper (online) today, which mentioned the following book.  I sounds interesting and I plan to read it.  Thought I'd share based on our discussions:

Daughters of the Dream: Eight Girls from Richmond Who Grew Up in the Civil Rights Era Hardcover – June 18, 2018


06/14/20 01:22 PM #244    

Beverly Joyce Mc Coy (Smith)

 Hi, I think the students that currently attend Lee should make the decision about the school name. From what I can tell by the Lee Facebook page they concentrate on the famous Generals part. Kinda cool that a school that wouldn’t allow black kids to attend is now run by blacks. There is some justice in the world although extremely slow.
 Johnny, You have an interesting history. I spent 3 years in Germany with my ex-husband whom I meet and married while serving at West Point in the Army. He graduated from West Point and we were married in the West Point Catholic Chapel. All our pictures were taken on Trophy Point. My oldest son was born in the Army Hospital in Nurnberg, Germany. He had dual citizenship but the German cancelled out eventually. . Of course you realize Germany is still an occupied country. While in Germany we went to many restaurants. We were actually asked to leave in one restaurant because they didn’t serve Army Americans. The French call us fat Americans. Don and I are blue-eyed blonde and definitely not fat, at least not then.. I was seriously offended. Don was shocked as he was sitting there trying to speak German. It was the first time we had been discriminated against. Most Germans are hospitable and many were not part of Nazi Germany. I’ve visited Anna Franks hideout in Amsterdam, and some death camps in Germany. I’ve also visited the Jewish Museum in DC. It’s a difficult reminder of how far people can stray from decency and human bonding. Just some thoughts from an old Hi, I think the students that currently attend Lee should make the decision about the school name. From what I can tell by the Lee Facebook page they concentrate on the famous Generals part. Kinda cool that a school that wouldn’t allow black kids to attend is now run by blacks. There is some justice in the world although extremely slow.
Johnny, You have an interesting history. I spent 3 years in Germany with my ex-husband whom I meet and married while serving at West Point in the Army. He graduated from West Point and we were married in the West Point Catholic Chapel. All our pictures were taken on Trophy Point. My oldest son was born in the Army Hospital in Nurnberg, Germany. He had dual citizenship but the German cancelled out eventually. . Of course you realize Germany is still an occupied country. While in Germany we went to many restaurants. We were actually asked to leave in one restaurant because they didn’t serve Army Americans. The French call us fat Americans. Don and I are blue-eyed blonde and definitely not fat, at least not then.. I was seriously offended. Don was shocked as he was sitting there trying to speak German. It was the first time we had been discriminated against. Most Germans are hospitable and many were not part of Nazi Germany. I’ve visited Anna Franks hideout in Amsterdam, and some death camps in Germany. I’ve also visited the Jewish Museum in DC. It’s a difficult reminder of how far people can stray from decency and human bonding. Just some thoughts from an old lady.

 

 


06/14/20 03:23 PM #245    

Tommy Nixon

John Arnold, what a nice thing to say. Please give my best to Gail. Loved reading your story. 
I have a brief quote that was in our newspaper today (yep, still old school newspaper reader). It reminds of a conversation I had with my mother before she passed away in 2011. She told me that when she grew up poor in Thomasville, Al., most of her earliest playmates were black. They had corncob dolls and they played in the dirt together with complete joy. It was only later that she was told not to play with black children. I never forgot that story. Here is the quote:   "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate and if they can learn to hate they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite."   Nelson Mandela

 


06/15/20 10:02 AM #246    

 

Thomas Ray Vittum

A lot of interesting and good thoughts have been brought up. One thing everyone is talking about is history or rewriting history in the way that they see it or want others to see it. Tommy N,  the Indians of old, and other cultures, passed their history down through verbal communication and I’m sure some of that was changed from time to time. Look at Christianity, people have been trying to erase the life and work of Jesus Christ, and the Jews religion. Look at the state of Israel and Palestine, anything that a group of people do not like they try to erase or change it. History was once passed down by word-of-mouth, I’m sure some people were killed so that history would stop. Then it was put down in written language, called Books. Books were burned, the one you know most of it is the burning of the books by the Nazis, in attempt to stop or change history. Today, history is being written and rewritten by social media, the news and in our schools or education systems.

 

The 2nd thing people are talking about is prejudice or being prejudiced. I believe everyone has “some” prejudiced in them, because there is something or someone that they do not like. It’s how they show or express their prejudice is what I think is important. Everyone can think back on their life on how they were treated or how they treated somebody at certain point in time, I certainly can, but that doesn’t mean I’m prejudiced against everybody, or even certain groups who went to Robert E Lee in 1969.

 

Well, I am not in favor of tearing down statues or changing names of schools or city or parks just because there’s a group of people that don’t like it.  I am not in favor of banning movies (gone with the win), or cartoons. Remember, it was our generation that raise the “entitlement society”, who raised the mis-behaving kids of today’s riots. Like you, I will voice my concerns, my believes, and show my attitudes with the hopes of keeping things the way they were, or changing the things that I want to be changed. I hope and pray that we, as a group, do not have to turn to violence or to war, as we have done in the pasts (The American revolution, the war between the states, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam War…)just to keep the things that we have or want preserve.

 

Here is a thought, the class of 1969 is now 69. If we are lucky we will live for another 15 years,  if we are very lucky another 20 years. How will the world be change, what changes will be made in the next 15 to 20 years. Back in 1969 did we know of any “mix” marriages, or gay people being married. See things do change. 


06/15/20 01:45 PM #247    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

Ray,

Things change whether we like it or not, and for both good and bad.  Guess we'd have to go back to a Garden of Eden to avoid the bad.  I think the main idea we're discussing here is how can we can see the world through the eyes of another - empathy.  It's been good to read that a lot of our classmates are trying to do just that.

 


06/15/20 03:12 PM #248    

Terry Wayne Wallace

Susan,

You are so right. EMPATHY is the key word minus the violence.

 


06/15/20 03:30 PM #249    

Beverly Diane Bridges (Wiggins)

Thank you, Susan, for starting this conversation and for all of the thoughtful comments so far. The current social movement highlights your call for empathy, I think, and also points out the harm done by remaining silent when we recognize a wrong. This is the first time I have commented on this forum. I think it is time to speak out and I’m encouraged that so many of my classmates have done so.

I don’t believe that renaming schools, roads, and parks or removing statues erases history. We will always be the 1969 class of Robert E. Lee High School. That will be true if the school is renamed or even if the building were demolished and not replaced. It harms us not at all if the name changes. Our memories will be unchanged. Changing the names of public spaces seems a small way to begin righting a wrong--not a wrong that we initiated, nor even one that we recognized back in the 1960s. Surely, we can see the harm done now. I hope it will be part of our history that we helped change things for the better.

06/16/20 09:50 AM #250    

Paul Frederick Hager

Beyond empathy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMpQBWH-RwA


06/16/20 04:25 PM #251    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

Paul,

What do you understand the point of the video you sent to be?  Did you send it to agree with its views, disagree with its views, or just be discussed?          I looked up the speaker/author's bio to read:

Steele is a black conservative.[3] He opposes policies such as affirmative action, which he considers to be unsuccessful liberal campaigns to promote equal opportunity for African Americans. He contends that blacks have been "twice betrayed:" first by slavery and oppression and then by group preferences mandated by the government, which discourage self-agency and personal responsibility in blacks.[4] . . . Steele wrote a short book, A Bound Man: Why We are Excited about Obama and Why He Can't Win, published in December 2007. The book contained Steele's analysis of Barack Obama's character as a child born to a mixed couple who then had to grow as a black man.[5] Steele concluded that Obama is a "bound man" to his "black identity." . . . After Obama won the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Steele defended the content of the book and claimed its subtitle was a marketing device motivated by the publisher which he came up with "in about 30 seconds."[6] He explains Obama's victory by likening him to Louis Armstrong who donned the "bargainer's mask" in his bid for white acceptance. 

 

 


06/16/20 04:50 PM #252    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

OK Gang!  I've changed my photo to be socially correct while we deal with Covid-19.  Who'd like to discuss how we're dealing with the virus, social distancing and mask wearing?  Like everything else, we tend to be a divided country.  Have at it!


06/16/20 11:57 PM #253    

 

David Lamar Chester

Paul
Thanks for sharing the Shelby Steele interview. Although prior to recent events, I suspect his positions remain much the same today. A serious slice of reality as seen through the eyes of a black man who has experienced first hand real racism and real protests. His point that Martin Luther King knew exactly why he was protesting, compared to many protesting today was a good one, especially in light of the current push for renaming and removing all things "offensive".  

 


06/18/20 01:12 PM #254    

Charles Fobes

Hey Susan

LOL, I didn't recognize you with a mask. I do appreciate it though!!  Will we need to wear a mask in a Zoom meeting with more than 10 attending? LOL!!

We haven't yet resumed attending our church worship services, but we watch them live on Facebook. It does look kinda weird when we can see all the masked people that are in the building these past two weeks!! Do you or any others worship over electronic media now? 


06/21/20 10:48 AM #255    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

For any of you that enjoy science - thought I'd share.  It's pretty cool, but crowded.  Anyone who served on a submarine will think they lived in a McMansion!

 

                                                    

I had no idea as to what the Space Station looks like. Now I do and it is very impressive.
This is something worthwhile to watch. Hope you enjoy.


https://www.youtube.com/embed/doN4t5NKW-k


06/21/20 10:54 AM #256    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

Another interesting video - this time from a police chief in response to a reporter's question - related to police officer shootings of a black person.  The comments below are not mine, but from other folks who passed on this link.

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In the heat of the moment he got hotter than a pistol.......

OUTSTANDING.   Two minutes of sheer anger and yet so well spoken.  


Milwaukee Chief of Police telling it like it is after dumb question

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA-y8qfgVZq/


06/22/20 03:30 PM #257    

Laurel Cummings

It's about time....FANTASTIC!!!!!!...I am kind of anti-cell phone-Facebook-Instagram, etc. (I mainly use my IPHONE as a camera), but I'm so glad you shared this. Thanks,  Laurel Cummings, Class of 68


07/19/20 01:28 PM #258    

Charles Fobes

OK four more weeks have gone by in quarantine here in Fort Worth. :-(

How are y'all doing so far?

Jane Johnson when can you setup another Zoom meeting?

 


07/20/20 09:19 AM #259    

 

James (Jimmy ) Gardner

Charles, Zoom has been a life saver for those of us still working. We use it in the court system and we've moved over a thousand traffic cases in two weeks time. And I've reallly been impressed by the public's acceptance; I think it's here to stay. Be safe.


07/21/20 04:08 PM #260    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

I'm ready for another Zoom ReUnion too!  


08/02/20 09:52 AM #261    

Kristin Johnson (Brett)

My apologies for weighing in way too late on this subject. I missed the 50th, but wanted to add my thoughts to this subject, as it has been on my mind. 

Thanks for this thoughtful discussion. I’m so impressed with your  knowledge of history, your compassion, and intelligence. This is a very complicated issue and there is a lot of passion around this conversation. I by no means have the answers. I believe, like Viv, that we need to find a graceful way to honor the contributions of our ancestors without having in-your-face monuments in the middle of town squares and major municipalities and  names prominently displayed on public facilities. Part of the answer may lie with getting rid of the offensive, very public displays and instead install smaller, appropriate monuments that honor the contributions of these ancestors. 

The overriding question in my mind, is, do we want to continue to perpetuate a name that brings pain to others? Do we want to be the class that stood up and made a difference? It is, I believe, about compassion, respect and empathy.

In the case of Lee, I think it’s time for a new name for the school, and the installation of a historical marker that includes some of Lee’s history, including the name itself. 

I defer to my smarter, more thoughtful classmates to find the solution. Just wanted to offer my 2 cents and my humble appreciation for continuing this dialogue. In my opinion, it’s way overdue. 


08/03/20 05:44 PM #262    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

Kristin,

Wonderful idea about renaming with a plack paying tribute to the past. And your thoughts too, were wonderfully written.

Susan


08/04/20 02:58 PM #263    

Kristin Johnson (Brett)

Thank you, Susan. Just couldn't stay silent about this. 


08/05/20 01:50 PM #264    

 

Morgan Mac Donell (White)

Well said, Kristen. I'm thankful for the healing that is going on.  


08/07/20 06:02 PM #265    

Joy Elizabeth Clingman (Hardaker)

New topic- Hi all! Just want to send congratulations to our Catie Ball Condon for the recognition in the latest University of Florida magazine. It's a wonderful story about this amazing lady! Chip Tousey saw it first and asked me to notify our Lee class too. Stay safe everyone 


08/08/20 09:00 PM #266    

 

Helen Farah

Thanks for letting us know! Looking forward to reading the article. Hope all is well! 


08/09/20 11:14 AM #267    

 

Susan Victoria Fritts (Burnett)

For those of you, like me, who didn't go to U of F, here's the link to the article being refered to.  See page 73 of https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/UFAA/342da081-b4f0-488d-a6e1-44fb0861cadb/UploadedImages/FloridaGATOR/FLGator_SU20_Combined_RM.pdf


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